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I don't get how Steam can stop you from playing your games. Only a few games are theirs. Most of the games are other companies. Just because you might of cheated on one game doesn't mean you can't play all your other games that's not even Valve's to begin with. If one cheats on say TF2 then just ban them from TF2, not from all their games on their Steam account.

People should try complaining to one of the companies that you bought a game from in your banned Steam account. See what they say. Be like, yeah, Valve's not letting me play your game. Hmmm so can you say that Valve stole your game then? I mean I can see them revoking the license from their games but how can they revoke the licenses from your other games from other companies that you didn't break TOS from? So in a sense, they stole them right?
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Do you know for sure that there are no laws to protect you. 9 times out of 10, no one reads the ToS or legal papers when they give the box a check.
They are distributing you a service. However, if you cheat, abuse other players, misuse the service, hack other accounts, etc., I'm sure anyone is fine with them eliminating their account as they making it unfair for thousands of other players.

Point is, if you buy a game it should be yours to own. If you hack, cheat, misuses, abuse, or whatever else you can think of, they should simply be able to ban you from online play / use of the service. Not completely stripping you of your game that you rightfully paid for. It's not like the game company would come to your door and take back a physical copy that you bought, why can they do so with digital copies? thumb.gif

And if you cheat, hack, abuse, or misuse the game...you SHOULD lose the right to play that game honestly. Your point being what?


Exactly, what logical reason do people have to protect those kind of people? Sounds like a person who was banned or is scared of being banned for all the things they're defending. Honestly, people shouldn't be worried about losing their games digitally unless they plan to do things they shouldn't be.

 

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It's like this boys. I can sell you my car for 500 dollars. We met up and you payed cash. Sweet. Have a nice day. Next morning it will be gone and back in my driveway again. You forgot the title (ownership) smile.gif I legally just stole that car back. It's the same concept when you buy digital media. You payed for the media but you did not sign the ownership. So hell yeah they can steal it right back from under your nose.

I understand what you're trying to convey, but a more-apt situation would be that you're entering into a long-term car-borrowing agreement with someone. Nowhere is it stated how long the agreement is for, with the assumption on the "user's" end is that it's indefinite. Eventually one day the rights to use the car can be revoked and the owner of the car can take it back if they want to, or if the user somehow violated the terms of the agreement.

The issue with all of this is that no one is lying to the "user." The EULA can be accessed by any user in advance of making a purchase and using the product. A user has the option to not buy the license for the material and play the move/game/whatever. But nowhere is it established that the user owns the property. The only difference between now in the "digital distribution" age and before in the "physical media" age is that the illusion is gone--of thinking you actually owning something simply because you possessed a disc with the data on it. But never was it established that anyone owned anything (well, other than whomever owns the IP/material that is being licensed).
    
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If Steam blocks all my games that will be a sign its time to go out into the sunlight
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Exactly, what logical reason do people have to protect those kind of people? Sounds like a person who was banned or is scared of being banned for all the things they're defending. Honestly, people shouldn't be worried about losing their games digitally unless they plan to do things they shouldn't be.

Who are you to dictate how anyone else should or should not play their games? One persons cheat or exploit is another's mod or variant.

I personally take a very harsh stance again cheaters when I am playing in a server where certain things are not allowed, or when I am running such a server. However, I would never support blanket, whole-game, bans for cheating because it's not my place to tell people they cannot run, or play in, non-pure or outright cheat servers. If someone wants to run a server with no cheat protection and no ranking, that's not going to hurt anyone else.
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How? At single player games? Sure...

Most MP game dont last over 4 years. So basically the point of the article is to do with the future. Having steam for 20 year and hundreds of games.
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If they take it away... download it. Valve hasn't done anything to my knowledge that is complete Applish (biggrin.gif) and they don't use Ubicrap-annoying security.
LOL and if you overclock your cpu you should lose your right to own it. If you said online and in a negative way it would make sense. As is, your post is irrational and are dumb.

No, more like if you OC get ready to void warranty and CPU dye, If you cheat you cheat with the risk of getting banned. Its for you to decide.
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And yet, at the end of the day we forget about this when the next Steam sale comes about.

Gamers are fickle creatures.
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And yet, at the end of the day we forget about this when the next Steam sale comes about.
Gamers are fickle creatures.

Haha. We're all about making bold, strong, protesting statements. Up until when we have to put our money where our mouth is... biggrin.gif
    
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*police officer saw a car with a shiny aftermarket muffler and stops it*
Civilian: whats wrong?
Officer: you have illegal modifications, i'm gonna confiscate your car.
Civilian: what illegal mods are you talking about?
Officer: i'm not gonna tell you. How many cars do you have?
Civilian: 5, why?
Officer: i'm gonna confiscate all of those too.
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Officer: it doesn't matter, you ilegally modded one car, i'm taking away all of it. But if you want, you can buy back these cars from us at a full retail price, just don't mod anymore or else...,
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Most MP game dont last over 4 years. So basically the point of the article is to do with the future. Having steam for 20 year and hundreds of games.
No, more like if you OC get ready to void warranty and CPU dye, If you cheat you cheat with the risk of getting banned. Its for you to decide.
You don't seem to understand what I was saying.. perhaps incapable? Cheating/hacking isn't bad unless it's done in a negative way online where it actually affects others. You can cheat in singleplayer/etc and it not be a problem. Hence console commands and the like.
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