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Originally Posted by 98uk View Post

I'm pretty sure we've never "owned" rights to media, whether that be a game, cd or film. Of course we do own the physical packaging but that's it. It's always been like that, ever since back in the day...
but, that's not cool. Let's rage and boycott stuff cos we're cool.

I can't tell if you're trying to make a point or if you're completing missing the issue here.

The difference between then and now is that before, when you paid for a game, you were able to play that game as long as you wanted and no store or company could take that away from you. With digital distribution in its current form, the user can pay good money for games and have them yanked away at any time if the distributor or developer sees fit. That is the practical issue that people care about when it comes to this subject.
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Well there's a solution to this... I'm gonna download every game I purchased on Steam and keep it safe. Should they ever decide that I'm unworthy of their regal service, I'm going to crack the crap out of their client (believe me it's so easy) and play the games anyway.
Rest assured, I haven't had these kind of trouble until now, cheats are not an ethic option and I hope to continue enjoying the awesome service they offer biggrin.gif
I agree you should be banned if you cheat, but I'd like to get some support over my purchases, it's not like I'm buying air.

Thing is, you only own those games as long as Steam says your account own those games. If they ever decide to wipe your game library clean with your associated email there is nothing you can do about it.
 
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i always thought that when i buy a game, i am buying a copy of it, i "own" a copy of it. just like buying dvd's and blurays. those ps1, and ps2 days...,
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Originally Posted by Lazloisdavrock View Post

I usually only buy from steam when there's insane deals, if I lost them, I wouldn't be as pissed
This, I only buy games at require a 3rd party program to play when they are extremely cheap. I will gladly pay full price for a physical copy of a game that doesn't use a 3rd party program or has activation/install limits, require a constant internet connection,etc.
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*shrug* The only game I play online is subscription-based, so I am under no illusion as to the nature of that purchase. Anything else is mine, regardless of what laws would claim. And if Valve were to decide to demonstrate otherwise for any reason... well I paid for it and I will keep it, one way or another. I live by my ethics and morals, not by what heavily biased legislators decide they were willing to take a bribe to put into law.
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Opinions about weather it should be allowed or not aside, the way they go about it is disturbing. They are under no obligation to even allow you to dispute their claim essentially making them the judge, jury and executioner. I would want to know why and then have a chance to defend myself against the accusation before losing hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of digital software rights. I would build a case around the fact that technically I could re-join their service immediately if I was willing to "pay" for everything all over again being nothing more than a cash grab.
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This is one of the problems of digital distribution and licensing. Companies like EA, Valve, Microsoft, or Apple can just disable purchases at will. There are no laws that explicitly defines consumer rights and software licensing. Caveat emptor.

Do you know for sure that there are no laws to protect you. 9 times out of 10, no one reads the ToS or legal papers when they give the box a check.

They are distributing you a service. However, if you cheat, abuse other players, misuse the service, hack other accounts, etc., I'm sure anyone is fine with them eliminating their account as they making it unfair for thousands of other players.

VERY RARELY does the TOS apply in court. I'm 99% sure if you went to small claims court against steam, you could get your account unblocked, or your dollar value of your games back.


Most people in court would see it as steam taking away products worth hundreds, maybe thousands, of dollars. Chances are you would get your account back and/or you money.

Especially because steam isn't directly related to hacking/cheating/ect unless its a Valve game
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I can't tell if you're trying to make a point or if you're completing missing the issue here.
The difference between then and now is that before, when you paid for a game, you were able to play that game as long as you wanted and no store or company could take that away from you. With digital distribution in its current form, the user can pay good money for games and have them yanked away at any time if the distributor or developer sees fit. That is the practical issue that people care about when it comes to this subject.

My point referred to the guy who said we used to own products. We never did, licensing was always around.
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Another thing that's really stupid is with Riot Games, and League of Legends. You can be perma banned after spending hundred of dollars on your account for champions and crap, just for saying a few bad words. They even have a clause in the EULA that states you give up your right to get your money back or anything, if you violate the "summoners code". Like what do they expect people to be happy playing in 800 +/- ELO, when you lose every game? I rage at people all day because it's just utter stupid the people you get to play with. I basically get reported for wasting my time with someone who doesn't care about the game.

Which is why I'm switching straight off LoL to DotA 2 when it comes out, I have a much higher chance of getting banned for raging at people than I do for Steam mistakenly detecting a running program as a cheat/hack.
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I feel its less of "Do we own the games?" statement but more of a trust with the company
I'm sure that I was not the only person who said "Do I actually own this game?" but more of a "I trust (insert company) that I own this game"
If we can't truly own it than we need to feel safe with it in the hands of said companies
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