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Transistor count in GF100 is 3.2 Billion and 3 Billion in the GTX 560ti 448. For extreme over clocking I think the GTX 470 will go faster under liquid nitrogen but my findings so far are that the GTX 560ti 448 so far is that my particular GTX 560 ti tops out around 975mhz core on air stable for benchmarks while the GTX 470 is right around 900mhz on water stable for benchmarks. The ram on the GTX 560 ti 448 is faster so clock for clock the the GTX 470 will perform a little faster because of more transistors but the heat can kill the performance and when you over clock the GTX 560 ti 448 can perform better because it runs cooler and and faster over clockable ram.
I'm working on a water cooling solution for my MSI GTX 560 ti 448 Twin Frozr III PE/OC video card.
Not all different cards can SLI. There is a software procedure to see if 2 different NVIDIA cards will work in SLI.
Looke here: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158907

oh wow @ that link, modded driver that enbales SLI on diff cards?

Well, so you are using this? I actually thought this was on official drivers without any mods/hacks.

Anyway, that linked thread is interesting, might be worth checking if a 590 would run with a 580 in tri-sli.
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Thats pretty nice thumb.gif.
But since you have both cards I might ask you... Is it worth it for me to upgrade my GTX 470 to this card? Also how well the 470 will perform at same clocks (732/1800) as the 560 Ti 448?
I cannot SLI the cards as my mobo don't support SLI.
If you can do a 3Dmark or a game bench between the two cards at the same clocks that would be awesome & highly appreciated .
But I think at the same clocks when compared the new 560 Ti will beat the 470. as it uses the GF110 core vs. the old GF100.
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post #13 of 18
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Thats pretty nice thumb.gif.
But since you have both cards I might ask you... Is it worth it for me to upgrade my GTX 470 to this card? Also how well the 470 will perform at same clocks (732/1800) as the 560 Ti 448?
I cannot SLI the cards as my mobo don't support SLI.
If you can do a 3Dmark or a game bench between the two cards at the same clocks that would be awesome & highly appreciated .
But I think at the same clocks when compared the new 560 Ti will beat the 470. as it uses the GF110 core vs. the old GF100.

Do not upgrade to this card for performance. They will perform identically at the same clocks because they are very very very similar cards and cores. The only real differences are the clock speeds it comes with out of the box and the typical 500 series improvements like using slightly less power and being able to handle slightly higher clocks. Again this is not a smart upgrade for you in any manner, try and wait for Kepler in about 2 months if you can.
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Originally Posted by HeadlessKnight View Post

Thats pretty nice thumb.gif.
But since you have both cards I might ask you... Is it worth it for me to upgrade my GTX 470 to this card? Also how well the 470 will perform at same clocks (732/1800) as the 560 Ti 448?
I cannot SLI the cards as my mobo don't support SLI.
If you can do a 3Dmark or a game bench between the two cards at the same clocks that would be awesome & highly appreciated .
But I think at the same clocks when compared the new 560 Ti will beat the 470. as it uses the GF110 core vs. the old GF100.



GTX 560ti 448 is slightly better over all with air cooling. I'm very impressed with it. Going to water cool it soon.

I have had a blast with my water cooled GTX 470.

I just kicked 3dMark11's ass all over the curb with 1xGTX 560ti 448 and 1xGTX470 in SLI.

P11396 3DMarks

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2722374

Last 3dMark11 benchmark with my GTX 470, tommorrow it ships out to new owner.

Some time next week I should have my GTX 560ti 448 properly water cooled and then I will be able to extract as much performance out of it as possible with water cooling. I expect a nice bump over air cooling. I might need to find a custom BIOS for higher voltage.

Mabey I will try the EVGA Classified GTX560ti 448 BIOS.
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Do not upgrade to this card for performance. They will perform identically at the same clocks because they are very very very similar cards and cores. The only real differences are the clock speeds it comes with out of the box and the typical 500 series improvements like using slightly less power and being able to handle slightly higher clocks. Again this is not a smart upgrade for you in any manner, try and wait for Kepler in about 2 months if you can.

The biggest problem about Kepler is that Nvidia is now so silent about it. We don't know anything about it, most info available on the net are just speculations from different people. The high-end cards -GTX 580/570 successors- may release at the end of 2012 which is a very very long time to wait. Lets just hope it doesn't have the problems original Fermi's had.
I know upgrading now is not so smart but this card seems very attractive to me, It can do 950 MHz+ which is not possible with my current card biggrin.gif.
Also it is the only way to know how exactly GF100/GF110 perform against each other at the same clocks and with similar specs.
This is the only possible way to measure. You cannot directly compare GTX 480 to 570 or 580 for example because there are differences in core count, ROPs & TMUs.
I am not upgrading now & will just wait for kepler & hope it is something worth all the wait thumb.gif .


Thanks for your attention smile.gif +1rep .
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Do not upgrade to this card for performance. They will perform identically at the same clocks because they are very very very similar cards and cores.


The GTX 560ti 448 will go faster on the core and on the memory. That is where it beats the GTX 470. It runs cooler and goes farther with similar cooling. GTX 470s do behave well at extremely fast speeds with liquid nitrogen for cooling.


I got a hot deal on this card and I'm happy.
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3dMark06 won't 'scale' in SLI nearly as well as other newer tests because it's so old/low resolution that the CPU becomes a huge bottleneck when run on newer, high powered GPU's ... esp. when in SLI wink.gif

I am keen to see results of 560ti 448 vs 470 at equal clocks, as, like you say, it's the only way to legitimately compare GF100 to GF110 with everything apples-to-apples. I suspect that on everything apart from Vantage, they're equal or very close to it, as the chip architectures themselves are identical. For some reason though (nV cheating, perhaps?) GF110 does crazy-good in Vantage.

Allow me to add ... 560ti 448 is such a strange name for those cards ... when they don't even use the same core architecture as a 560. I think THAT card should've been the 570, and what is now the 570 should've been a 575 ... would've made a ton more sense thumb.gif
    
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3dMark06 won't 'scale' in SLI nearly as well as other newer tests because it's so old/low resolution that the CPU becomes a huge bottleneck when run on newer, high powered GPU's ... esp. when in SLI wink.gif
I am keen to see results of 560ti 448 vs 470 at equal clocks, as, like you say, it's the only way to legitimately compare GF100 to GF110 with everything apples-to-apples. I suspect that on everything apart from Vantage, they're equal or very close to it, as the chip architectures themselves are identical.

I sold the GTX 470 so no more SLI benchmarks. When I have some time I will set up my system with the GTX 560ti 448 to the same clock speeds that my GTX 470 had on its highest benchmark scores I had.

I too think the scores will be very close to being the same but 1 factor that could allow for higher scores is that I will lower the voltage as low as possible on the GTX 560ti 448 to reach match clock speeds of the GTX 470. I think the lower voltage settings may allow for some happy electrical conducting performance gains.
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