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[BBC] Apple seeks change to "essential" patent licensing rules..

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Apple has asked for more clarity over how patents deemed crucial to industry standards should be handled.

The firm wrote a letter to the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI) in November, which has now been reported by the Wall Street Journal.

The iPhone maker called for "more consistent and transparent" application of rules designed to ensure that such intellectual properties were licensed.

Gee, I wonder what brought this on?

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It's like Apple is a giant baby who just needs a big bottle of milk to suck on, or better yet a boob to do the former. Maybe then it will stop crying and kicking up a fuss.
    
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Could this be a result of the Motorola lawsuit? It does involve some pretty basic cell technologies and one that would kill iCloud from what I understand. The one that could kill iCloud is not considered crucial to industry standards so Motorola does not need to even offer to license it to Apple.
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Apple, what about actually licensing tech developed by other companies/entities as opposed to implementing it in your devices without notification or paying for the licensing? Funny you're fine suing over something as ubiquitous as device form factor and UI layout, but when it comes to using comm. technology protocols developed by others, you all of a sudden scream "not fair!"

I don't like how many people assume the aire of "apple-hater" anytime a headline involving Apple comes up (namely because most other companies behave in many similar ways as Apple). But this motion on Apple's part really irks me on principle.

I think their demands are a bit on the demanding side:
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The company's request lists three specific points:

-Parties should only be able to claim an "appropriate royalty rate", both at the start and end of negotiations.
-There should be a "common royalty base" - in other words, the patent's value should be determined as a percentage of the cost of the relevant components rather than the device as a whole.
-Patent owners should commit to a "no injunction" policy under which they do not seek to block the sale or shipments of rivals' equipment on the basis of a Frand-patent dispute.
I don't like the second bullet point. The thing is though, the device wouldn't be able to function without the patented item(s)--therein contributes to the value of the patent if a device using that technology has intrinsic value. And it completely ignores the intellectual contributions that go into developing something rather than just raw costs. Going back to previous non-FRAND disputes on apple's part, their patents on form-factor vs. UI layout has zero component cost. What would be the value of licensing THAT patent?

I also don't like the third bullet point, but less so than the second one.

I'd rather the whole patent system be overhauled, but of course we know that's not going to happen anytime soon...
    
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Originally Posted by guyladouche View Post

Apple, what about actually licensing tech developed by other companies/entities as opposed to implementing it in your devices without notification or paying for the licensing? Funny you're fine suing over something as ubiquitous as device form factor and UI layout, but when it comes to using comm. technology protocols developed by others, you all of a sudden scream "not fair!"
I don't like how many people assume the aire of "apple-hater" anytime a headline involving Apple comes up (namely because most other companies behave in many similar ways as Apple). But this motion on Apple's part really irks me on principle.
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The company's request lists three specific points:
-Parties should only be able to claim an "appropriate royalty rate", both at the start and end of negotiations.
-There should be a "common royalty base" - in other words, the patent's value should be determined as a percentage of the cost of the relevant components rather than the device as a whole.
-Patent owners should commit to a "no injunction" policy under which they do not seek to block the sale or shipments of rivals' equipment on the basis of a Frand-patent dispute.
I don't like the second bullet point. The thing is though, the device wouldn't be able to function without the patented item(s)--therein contributes to the value of the patent if a device using that technology has intrinsic value. And it completely ignores the intellectual contributions that go into developing something rather than just raw costs. Going back to previous non-FRAND disputes on apple's part, their patents on form-factor vs. UI layout has zero component cost. What would be the value of licensing THAT patent?
I also don't like the third bullet point, but less so than the second one.
I'd rather the whole patent system be overhauled, but of course we know that's not going to happen anytime soon...

Apple behaves particularly poorly though. Just saw a headline for Microsoft, for example, which said they would not sue companies that had used their obvious/basic technologies.
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so what apple? cry a river as far as I carer tongue.gif write a letter to the UN rolleyes.gif

all they do is sue to prevent competing products while stifling innovation at the same time.

just rehaul the damn patent system alright
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Lol, People start fighting back in the patent war and they QQ about it. They started this whole ordeal.
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-Patent owners should commit to a "no injunction" policy under which they do not seek to block the sale or shipments of rivals' equipment on the basis of a patent dispute. But if the device is rectangular and has a button then injunctions are just a-ok

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Originally Posted by Benladesh View Post

Lol, People start fighting back in the patent war and they QQ about it. They started this whole ordeal.

Damn straight as far as I'm concerned. There's a line between protecting investments/IP and anti-competitive practices and Apple sadly has moved far across the line to the ACP side. They wanted to throw crap around when they thought they had the edge and that everyone was just going to lay down. They should reap what they have sown in this case. I had these same feelings towards MS when they acted the same way. Everyone was upset about MS with the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish among other things and yet people didn't feel the same way when Apple recently imitated that plan (iBA).

PS: It's really amusing digging around the old news and seeing how everyone was against MS and thought Apple was going to "be different". "Oh, the times are a changin'."
     
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