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I too have heard the Driver woes of todays nVidia, Ive not actually updated my Drivers since I go tmy GTX275, I oftnen find newer Drivers make older hardware slower lol
Would Love to find a Golden Driver Set Specifically for the GTX 275, without all the extra bloat lol
Currently i think the 4** series is out due to the heat. Im only an Air cooler and GTX 275 been getting warm now that we are running heat in the house, I cringe when it gets to 70 C and im at 78% fan speed.
Wood Floors thoug, Dust Bunnies the size of a Baby. What i really need is an air compressor of some form lol
From what I understand though, I could see quite the Increase of performance with 4x and 8xAA on the 560/570. This idea I really like.
hard to decide on a GPU For an MMO, sicne they are completely different from a FPS, I Find that the Memory Interface plays a huge roll in how well these numbers of textures are handled.
I will most likely wait and see how well my System does in open world PvP, where the numbers of people on teh screen can really start to kick up.
i think it will be similar to when i was playing Warhammer Online, with my Opty 165 , 2gb ram and the 8800GTS, all ran well untill 100 people on screen.
Most of that issue was alleviated by simply going to the i7 with the 3gb of ram at the time, Huge Increase in performance actually when i went to my 3x2GB Mushkin Set, and then it was OCmpletely flawless with the GTX 275.
I do often get weord glitches though, Textures always trying to jump infront of another, Dont have these issues on SWTOR though, I do notice currently issues with transparent items blocking out certain things (usually simple stuff like i wont be able to see a player name or Health if a transparent texture is infront of it)
Not sure about it though


Lag with tons of people = VRAM issue or the connection itself.
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Problem is with Large populated areas in SWTOR, im dipping incredibly low on FPS.
Normal Quests or Warzones (with only specific nubmer of players on screen) I hold a Steady 60FPS at 4x AA.
You all believe that I will see a Considerable performance increase over my GTX 275 with just a 560 ? Wouldnt mind running 8X AA

This has nothing to do with your graphics card, or your cards memory bit's number (which if you bothered to actually check your cards specs, would notice is higher then every modern card). The game is poorly coded, and this is hard drive performance that you are noticing. Having a SSD instead of a mech hard drive is the only way to stop that frame rate dip.

The game is designed to run well on cards much less powerful then yours.

Again, those textures and objects are struggling to load off of your Hard drive, not your graphics card.
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This has nothing to do with your graphics card, or your cards memory bit's number (which if you bothered to actually check your cards specs, would notice is higher then every modern card). The game is poorly coded, and this is hard drive performance that you are noticing. Having a SSD instead of a mech hard drive is the only way to stop that frame rate dip.
The game is designed to run well on cards much less powerful then yours.

well sicne I know my Connection isnt the issue, and I know how these games work, I can tell you right now its all about the GPU Vram, how it takes the textures, how it uses them and how quickly - mine is just a little outdated so its slow to load all these textures.

And Yes man, Of course I know exactly what my card is, but there is a difference, this is GDDR3, with GDDR5 Speeds and Bandwidth, anything above 256 bit should provide excellent yields over mine.

I think that atleast settles it, I wont go with any 256bit, Im liking the 560ti 448, Il give it a some more time see how my finances are lookign and revisit this

Thank you everyone for your imput!


While you are wrong about the SSD performance in this type of game, its still not a bad idea, My 2x250's in raid 0 are Very old, might be time to toss them on the back end.
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While you are wrong about the SSD performance in this type of game, its still not a bad idea, My 2x250's in raid 0 are Very old, might be time to toss them on the back end.

I don't think he's wrong about SSDs. MMOs are the one type of game I would argue SSDs make in game (non-loading screen) difference. MMOs load a lot more things on the fly than any other type of game, which usually loads everything when you load the level, or at least before you get close to it.

It might not make a huge difference in the scenarios that you are describing, but just wanted to point that out.
    
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Now One think you will ntoice about me, is I believe in a High Memory Bit interface with a proper amount of memory. I believe this helps tremendously with MMO's (which I primarily play MMO's) as it seems to allow all those textures to load better and quickly.
This has nothing to do with your bus width, nor even your video card. It's because...
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This has nothing to do with your graphics card, or your cards memory bit's number (which if you bothered to actually check your cards specs, would notice is higher then every modern card). The game is poorly coded, and this is hard drive performance that you are noticing. Having a SSD instead of a mech hard drive is the only way to stop that frame rate dip.
The game is designed to run well on cards much less powerful then yours.
Again, those textures and objects are struggling to load off of your Hard drive, not your graphics card.
...aww, you beat me to it. I don't play any MMOs, but from what I understand, it's the data drive, especially with mechanical drives, that's the bottleneck, and I don't think the RAID is helping much, as I think it still has the low access times of a single drive.
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I can tell you right now its all about the GPU Vram, how it takes the textures, how it uses them and how quickly - mine is just a little outdated so its slow to load all these textures.

While you are wrong about the SSD performance in this type of game, its still not a bad idea, My 2x250's in raid 0 are Very old, might be time to toss them on the back end.
The bus width is but one variable among many. It's like having a 3GHz Pentium 4 and saying you'd never go below 3GHz when a 2.5GHz Athlon 64 has better performance. The bus width is merely one variable to bandwidth. If a theoretical GPU had a 64-bit bus width, but more bandwidth than your current GPU, it's better there. Worrying about the bus width is getting lost in one detail that doesn't matter as much as you think.

You're also underestimating the bottleneck a mechanical drive can impose on MMOs (from what I hear).

You can find this out yourself. Check your GPU use during these situations. If it's not 100%, it's not the GPU. There is, of course, the chance it's the GPU if you're using high settings and all, but even if that's the case, the bus width is not something you need to concern yourself with. That's merely a part of the factor that determines bandwidth, which itself is but one variable to GPU performance.
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have to agree about width, let me ask you this whats faster 256bit bus GDDR3 1000mhz or a 128bit GDDR5 1050mhz Bus which one gives better bandwith

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well sicne I know my Connection isnt the issue, and I know how these games work, I can tell you right now its all about the GPU Vram, how it takes the textures, how it uses them and how quickly - mine is just a little outdated so its slow to load all these textures.
And Yes man, Of course I know exactly what my card is, but there is a difference, this is GDDR3, with GDDR5 Speeds and Bandwidth, anything above 256 bit should provide excellent yields over mine.
I think that atleast settles it, I wont go with any 256bit, Im liking the 560ti 448, Il give it a some more time see how my finances are lookign and revisit this
Thank you everyone for your imput!
While you are wrong about the SSD performance in this type of game, its still not a bad idea, My 2x250's in raid 0 are Very old, might be time to toss them on the back end.

Well a good friend of mine brought his minimum frame rate up from 22 to 55 and all he did was put the game on a solid state hard drive. Also, his graphics card is a GTX 275.



But yeah, you're right, and you know how these games work. Go buy a GTX 580. This game takes at least a $450 card to run, usually 2. On top of that you're going to need to upgrade your entire rig, the min specs for this game is i7-2600k at 5GHz, 32GB of ram and a 1200watt PSU.


GTX 275 has a memory bandwidth of 127 GB/sec

GTX 560ti has a memory bandwidth of 128 GB/sec

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_275_us.html
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-560ti-us.html

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Well a good friend of mine brought his minimum frame rate up from 22 to 55 and all he did was put the game on a solid state hard drive. Also, his graphics card is a GTX 275.
But yeah, you're right, and you know how these games work. Go buy a GTX 580. This game takes at least a $450 card to run, usually 2. On top of that you're going to need to upgrade your entire rig, the min specs for this game is i7-2600k at 5GHz, 32GB of ram and a 1200watt PSU.
GTX 275 has a memory bandwidth of 127 GB/sec
GTX 560ti has a memory bandwidth of 128 GB/sec
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_275_us.html
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-560ti-us.html

Not sure if my sarcasm detector is broken... need to get it checked out.
    
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Not sure if my sarcasm detector is broken... need to get it checked out.

I was just representing the general consensus of OCN regarding pretty much everything.
    
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