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I like the large reservoir and clean hoses in the mail chamber.

I thought it was better to have the CPU before the GPUs, but that would mess up the clean look.

Do you plan on cooling the motherboard? That would add some more tubing.

Which way do you plan on running the fans? All pulling fresh air in? Or in one side and out the other?
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The 120mm Yate Loon Mediums (D12SM-12) are 1650 RPM and the 140mm D14SM-12 are 1400 RPM. Would the GTX rads still be better than the SR1 rads? Why? Please explain to a newbee.
I've been learning more about how to use Sketchup. I did a mockup of the waterloop layout for my STH10 that I am waiting on. I found models of the BitsPower fittings on the net. These were very helpful.
This first pic shows the basic layout:
I do intend to use quick disconnect fittings where the tubes leave the motherboard tray and connect to the chassis. Just haven't drawn those yet.
This one shows the view in between the top rads:
The layout in the bottom is similar.
Any feedback on this proposed waterloop layout is welcomed.
Cheers,

I can't find a direct comparison right now, if I seem to remember rightly the cross over point is about 1200rpm as to where you should choose the gtx over the sr1. I could be wrong though. I assumed 1850rpm because you had AP15s in the photo.

Looking at two of skinnee's tests which are not apples to apples

The SR1 360 (1.5gpm at 1800rpm (yates)) = 0.0183 deg C/W
The GTX 360 (1.6gpm at 1700rpm (gentle typhoons) = 0.0145 deg C/W

In other words the gtx with 1700rpm GTs raises the liquid temperature 2 degrees less for a 500W load than an SR1 with 1800rpm yates.

If we assume 1200W of load and the equivalent radiator space of 5.6x360 rads (2x360s and 2x560s), then the temp difference will be very roughly 0.8 degrees better if you go with the gtx series.

Not enough to worry about, but if you haven't bought radiators yet it might be worth buying the gtx.
     
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The photo of the AP15s was from Systemlord showing what he is using. I intend on using the Yate Loons.

I will continue investigating the different rads up until Case Labs ships my STH10 case. Then I will order the watercooling stuff to arrive just after I get the case. I keep checking my order status at Case Labs hoping it will be shipped soon. I should have a little time after the case arrives since "some assembly is required" and I intend on measuring all the parts so I can draw them in Sketchup.

I know its seems like a lot of people are using the Gentle Typhoon AP15s, but I just cannot see the value in a $15-$18 fan vs the Yate Loons at $5, when the $5 Yate Loon seems to also get good reviews. I have first hand experience that you cannot just go by the rated specs or the cost. I have a 90 CFM 18dBA Silenx Pro Extrema 120 x 38mm fan that cost me $20. I think I will make shroud out of it. I now know the reviews of the AP15's and the Yate Loons are good and that the Silenx Pro iExtrema not so much. (I'm being very kind there..) So, I will use the Yate Loons until I see that they dont perform in my setup.

Thanks for the info on the radiators.


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I like the large reservoir and clean hoses in the mail chamber.
I thought it was better to have the CPU before the GPUs, but that would mess up the clean look.
Do you plan on cooling the motherboard? That would add some more tubing.
Which way do you plan on running the fans? All pulling fresh air in? Or in one side and out the other?

I intend to pull in freash air and pass it straight through both rads within a section. So, in one side and out the other. I also intend to install 3 120mm fans as intake in the front motherboard section with one 120m exhaust fan on the back and slotted PCI covers on the back. So, the airflow within the motherboard section is front to back.

I am considering adding a motherboard block in Phase 2. I want to test the motherboard before modding it.
    
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I can't find a direct comparison right now, if I seem to remember rightly the cross over point is about 1200rpm as to where you should choose the gtx over the sr1. I could be wrong though. I assumed 1850rpm because you had AP15s in the photo.
Looking at two of skinnee's tests which are not apples to apples
The SR1 360 (1.5gpm at 1800rpm (yates)) = 0.0183 deg C/W
The GTX 360 (1.6gpm at 1700rpm (gentle typhoons) = 0.0145 deg C/W
In other words the gtx with 1700rpm GTs raises the liquid temperature 2 degrees less for a 500W load than an SR1 with 1800rpm yates.
If we assume 1200W of load and the equivalent radiator space of 5.6x360 rads (2x360s and 2x560s), then the temp difference will be very roughly 0.8 degrees better if you go with the gtx series.
Not enough to worry about, but if you haven't bought radiators yet it might be worth buying the gtx.

Now that I read your reply a few more times. I think I understand what you are saying.

So, if I run my fans faster than some value, say 1200 rpm, then I would be better off using the GTX rads instead of the SR1 rads. Is that correct?

I assume this is because the GTX has 20 fins per inch (FPI) and the SR1 has only 9 FPI. And, a 20 FPI rad dissapates more heat when it has more airflow than a rad with only 9 FPI.

I think I'm catching on...
    
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The photo of the AP15s was from Systemlord showing what he is using. I intend on using the Yate Loons.
I will continue investigating the different rads up until Case Labs ships my STH10 case. Then I will order the watercooling stuff to arrive just after I get the case. I keep checking my order status at Case Labs hoping it will be shipped soon. I should have a little time after the case arrives since "some assembly is required" and I intend on measuring all the parts so I can draw them in Sketchup.
I know its seems like a lot of people are using the Gentle Typhoon AP15s, but I just cannot see the value in a $15-$18 fan vs the Yate Loons at $5, when the $5 Yate Loon seems to also get good reviews. I have first hand experience that you cannot just go by the rated specs or the cost. I have a 90 CFM 18dBA Silenx Pro Extrema 120 x 38mm fan that cost me $20. I think I will make shroud out of it. I now know the reviews of the AP15's and the Yate Loons are good and that the Silenx Pro Extrema not some much. (I'm being very kind there..) So, I will use the Yate Loons until I see that they dont perform in my setup.
Thanks for the info on the radiators.

the reason that AP-15s are so expensive is because of the astounding CFM/dBa ratio, their "sound quality" and because they have prity good static presure... these three things make them amazing radiator fans wile being almost silent smile.gif... the yates are also very good fans, but their CFM/dBa ratio is a bit high, and their static presure is a little lower then the AP-15s... if noise isnt an issue (it is at high RPM for me) then yates will get you the same results for 1/3 the price... if sound is an issue, then AP-15s are probably the way to get... there are some other realy nice ones out there, but AP-15s are the most well known smile.gif
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Now that I read your reply a few more times. I think I understand what you are saying.
So, if I run my fans faster than some value, say 1200 rpm, then I would be better off using the GTX rads instead of the SR1 rads. Is that correct?
I assume this is because the GTX has 20 fins per inch (FPI) and the SR1 has only 9 FPI. And, a 20 FPI rad dissapates more heat when it has more airflow than a rad with only 9 FPI.
I think I'm catching on...

thats exactly what he is saying smile.gif
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Now that I read your reply a few more times. I think I understand what you are saying.
So, if I run my fans faster than some value, say 1200 rpm, then I would be better off using the GTX rads instead of the SR1 rads. Is that correct?
I assume this is because the GTX has 20 fins per inch (FPI) and the SR1 has only 9 FPI. And, a 20 FPI rad dissapates more heat when it has more airflow than a rad with only 9 FPI.
I think I'm catching on...

A high FPI radiator needs faster speed fans, the low FPI are designed to work with slower speed fans for those looking for quietness. The SR1 (9 FPI) series radiators have there fins sliced up (can't think of the proper name) to catch more volume of air passing throught the radiator core, the GTX series really separates itself from the pack at 2000rpm's and up. Who wants that kind of noise? Don't get me wrong the GTX rads are great and all (running GTX480 now) but linking two GTX radiators in one loop is to much restriction for my taste!
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So, if I use the SR1 rads I could stay with the Yate Loons (both the 120mm and the 140mm).

If I switch to the GTX rads, I should consider the AP15s. But, they only make a 120mm AP15. My STH10 case should accept two 140.4 rads in the bottom chamber. I intend to use that capability. I know I could use a 120mm to 140mm adapter for the AP15s, but that seems less than optimal.

Do they actually make a 140mm version of the AP15?

This is great information, thanks.
    
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So, if I use the SR1 rads I could stay with the Yate Loons (both the 120mm and the 140mm).
If I switch to the GTX rads, I should consider the AP15s. But, they only make a 120mm AP15. My STH10 case should accept two 140.4 rads in the bottom chamber. I intend to use that capability. I know I could use a 120mm to 140mm adapter for the AP15s, but that seems less than optimal.
Do they actually make a 140mm version of the AP15?
This is great information, thanks.

you could stick with yates either way... they will just be a little louder then typhoons smile.gif... as for the 140mm rads, you can use slim 120->140mm fan adapters... they are realy cheap and martin actualy found that ap-15s are still great fans even on 140mm rads... i would look up martins 140mm fan testing results... they are prity interesting smile.gif... the only problem you may run into are the mounting options in the STH10 with the adapters... you may have to get a little creative... idk how deep the mounts are for the pedestals, but if memory recalls they prity much just have room for the fan and noting else on the other side... this would mean that you would only be able to have fans on the back side of the RADs... im sure you could figure something out if you wanted, but it will probably be tight smile.gif
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