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I think when most people think of lenovo laptops they're thinking of Thinkpads. Thinkpads = best laptops ever made. If you can afford a T, X, or W series Thinkpad, it's a no-brainer.
But if you're talking about the standard consumer lines (IdeaPads or whatever), they're no different than HP's or Dell's garbage.

http://www.youtube.com/lenovovision#p/u/7/BvDD8hEMJas Just watch that and let me know if you think other Ultrabooks are as well-engineered (the Z835 might be). It kind of depends on the model - the Ideapad U series is pretty high-end, but any Ideapad has a great keyboard (find me someone who prefers a Dell Inspiron keyboard over an Ideapad keyboard). Some might think a keyboard is negligible - but you only interface with your laptop's monitor, keyboard, and touchpad (speakers/mic/webcam I suppose to a lesser extent). In general they're a step above most consumer laptops, and there's not much price premium.
 
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http://www.youtube.com/lenovovision#p/u/7/BvDD8hEMJas Just watch that and let me know if you think other Ultrabooks are as well-engineered (the Z835 might be). It kind of depends on the model - the Ideapad U series is pretty high-end, but any Ideapad has a great keyboard (find me someone who prefers a Dell Inspiron keyboard over an Ideapad keyboard). Some might think a keyboard is negligible - but you only interface with your laptop's monitor, keyboard, and touchpad (speakers/mic/webcam I suppose to a lesser extent). In general they're a step above most consumer laptops, and there's not much price premium.

Believe me, I'm the last person you'll ever need to preach about keyboards to smile.gif.

Ideapads may or may not be at the top of the Consumer laptop list; but that is irrelevant. They're still just a consumer-class notebook, and any business-class one is by far better: Thinkpads, Lattitudes, Elitebooks, and so on. And out of business-class notebooks, Thinkpads are quite easily the top of the line: as you said, the keyboard, mouse, and monitor are the three most important things (although with laptops specifically, I'd include "case quality" in there simply because they have to survive). Thinkpads have the better keyboard, Thinkpads have a trackpoint and sometimes a Wacom too, (some) Thinkpads have IPS screens, and Thinkpads have a much stronger chassis.

They're not even close to being in the same quality bracket.
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Yeah, the Thinkpad units are *much* more durable than the Ideapads.


I sort of want to get an old IBM T40 and put modern Llano based guts int it, but I'm afraid that's impossible.
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i had a lenovo until about 4 yeas ago got it about 8-9 years ago i loved it i thought that thing wouldnt die then well it did but with my abuse it wasnt supprising if i treated it like a normal person would of id probably still have it
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Lenovo is an offshoot of IBM so i'd like to think that they have a good brand...
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Yeah, the Thinkpad units are *much* more durable than the Ideapads.
I sort of want to get an old IBM T40 and put modern Llano based guts int it, but I'm afraid that's impossible.

with enough cuting and duct tape anything is possabile just not nessiserily practical
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I for one detest Lenovo. We've been using them at work since IBM sold their PC manufacturing to them. I could literally graph the repairs that come in for Lenovo PCs compared to our old IBMS. Our IBM systems from 2004 and older were tanks. Metal chassis, heavy, small and just never died. Some were so caked full of dust the fans didn't move. They still kept chugging along. In 2007 when we replaced most of them with Lenovo PCs, it was a huge mistake. We, as an entire company, became victim to the capacitor plague. Every, and I mean every Lenovo PC we bought died. That's thousands, almost nearly 20,000 PCs. All dead. We replaced most motherboards under warranty. Even as of Wednesday, we're still finding bad motherboards. So fast forward to now, lets say 2 weeks ago. We finally got some new PCs for folks around the office. Lenovo, I'm not in charge of purchasing. Great looking PCs Core i5s bla bla bla. Well now the PSUs go after a few weeks of running. GREAT! Here we go again.

I hate, Lenovo for their QC. I do enjoy them that they kept me employed before I changed departments. Don't get me started on their Laptops!

Anyone who says Lenovo is IBM, needs a smack!
    
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@ killabytes....Lol hate.... (pm what company you work for, would love to look at the internal data on your 20,000 PCs)

Lenovo continues to prove their worth as they are now the #2 vendor in the PC business. Outpacing all others over the last 4 quarters in terms of growth.

Lenovo has lower fault rates then the lowest point when it was known as IBM. It has also hit higher grades in Milspec testing in the US then ever before.

Looks like there was a bad batch of product (was not with Lenovo at the time, with Toshiba) that mr.cranky pants may have had with his company.

Back to the OP, Lenovo is a great brand.
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According to a recent study, the most reliable brands are Toshiba and Asus are the most reliable brands, followed by Sony. Not all the brands were up there, but Lenovo was less reliable than Dell, but more reliable than HP.

People have a lot of sentimentality for Lenovo because of their former connection with IBM, but they simply do not make the same quality computers. IBM had IPS monitors in their Thinkpads and keyboards that didn't flex, Lenovo not so much (well they have a 12 inch ips, but that doesn't really count. I mean dell has a 15" ips in their workstations).

Go with Asus or Toshiba or Samsung I'd say.
Edited by perfectblade - 2/11/12 at 10:09am
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I almost feel like calling BS on the 20,000 bad Lenovo desktops. Maybe it was a bad batch. Lenovo has the highest-rated business computers (desktop+laptop) for 15 of the last 16 quarters.
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Believe me, I'm the last person you'll ever need to preach about keyboards to smile.gif.
Ideapads may or may not be at the top of the Consumer laptop list; but that is irrelevant. They're still just a consumer-class notebook, and any business-class one is by far better: Thinkpads, Lattitudes, Elitebooks, and so on. And out of business-class notebooks, Thinkpads are quite easily the top of the line: as you said, the keyboard, mouse, and monitor are the three most important things (although with laptops specifically, I'd include "case quality" in there simply because they have to survive). Thinkpads have the better keyboard, Thinkpads have a trackpoint and sometimes a Wacom too, (some) Thinkpads have IPS screens, and Thinkpads have a much stronger chassis.
They're not even close to being in the same quality bracket.

Nobody's arguing with you that build on Thinkpads is higher quality. The real thing to consider is, does OP need a laptop that's built like a tank? If yes, then sure, a T420 could possibly slide into that budget with an i3. Now if you're not abusive to your laptop, not really clumsy, you don't knock over coffee on your keyboard on a daily basis, then perhaps a consumer laptop is good enough. Also consider that most people upgrade every ~3 years (even with Thinkpads, I know I did - more like every 1-2 years). I think you're overly complicating the situation. Basic guidelines - if your laptop is "mission critical" (ie you can't wait for a replacement from China 3 weeks later), get an upgraded warranty, period. Otherwise, typical Lenovo Ideapad turnaround is 2-day shipping, each way, plus repair time (6-7 business days total, is what I'd guess - maybe 2 weeks). I would always recommend people to go with a 2-3 year warranty if they have the extra $70.


If anyone has 2010 or 2011 reliability data, that is relevant. Anything older is irrelevant for the Ideapad line, as Lenovo's 2010 and newer models are leaps and bounds above their first models (which truly were just rough drafts, compared to what they're putting out now). As one example, compare the U350(2009) to the U300s(2011). No competition. And also the volume of laptops has shot up exponentially so most likely they improved their manufacturing process as well (economy of scale).
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