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You're kidding right? There are more than enough resources to sustain us. What resources are missing? Clean water? Food? There is more water on this planet than land mass; hoards of stockpile in plant seed for bioengineering; and we have roughly just under 4.5 billion years left of sunlight to aid all of this, on top of artificial light which 99% simulates sunlight in the event we're blacked out in the skies before the end of the sun.
There are plenty of resources, on top of which can be supplemented by producing resources to aid shortages.

Well have fun drinking saline water. And what about fragile ecosystems that would be ruined with the industry, such as the amazon forest? What about the viruses and diseases brought by bio-engineering or by genetically modified organism or even by mass animal breeding?

Plant seeds? Really? A human needs a lot more to sustain itself than seeds.
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One of these presidents really needs to stand by what they way and reinstate nuclear waste reprocessing. I was very excited that during the previous presidential campaign, both candidates said they desired to do this. Unfortunately, there has been no delivery as of yet.

And I'm not sure why people think a meltdown is "inevitable." We have over 100 nuclear power plants in the US, and France is almost completely powered by nuclear power. It says a lot that since Three Mile Island and Chernobyl, Japan was the only nuclear power plant disaster we've had globally. It has also been proven that they had basically no emergency plan. It was a reminder of what not to do.

Hell, nuclear power kill less people per year than candles. Gas and coal power can't even come close to saying that.

Fact of the matter is, nuclear power is our only current source of efficient and clean power, and will continue to be for quite some time. Might as well make the investment in making safer reactors (Oregon State has had one for quite some time) and reprocessing abilities.
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Everyone posting about the dangers of the waste doesn't understand the available alternatives. Coal produces more radioactive waste than advanced nuclear reactors, and it pumps it straight into the atmosphere. Sure the stuff from a reactor is more concentrated, but that is one reason why nuclear is safer. Dilution is not the solution to pollution. Nuclear is the only option we have currently to meet the energy demands of society. If solar/biofuel gets 200-300 percent better we can move to that, but for the next 100 years you can bet nuclear will be utilized. I am super glad the US is ending the ban on nuclear, because I am sick of breathing radioactive waste generated by coal powered plants.
This. At least there are no VOC's released into the atmosphere with nuclear energy (not to my knowledge anyway). I'd much rather have the environmental concern (i.e. nuclear waste) be packed away in containers well below the surface of the earth than have all the devastating pollutants released straight into the atmosphere. We depend too much on our atmosphere to let it go to hell.
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Well have fun drinking saline water. And what about fragile ecosystems that would be ruined with the industry, such as the amazon forest? What about the viruses and diseases brought by bio-engineering or by genetically modified organism or even by mass animal breeding?
Plant seeds? Really? A human needs a lot more to sustain itself than seeds.

Saline water is easily converted into fresh water, the problem is that it is an energy intensive process. Cheap energy means abundant fresh water. The ecosystem is already impacted greatly by human activity, we will have to learn how to duplicate its processes artificially (carbon cycle, water cycle, nitrogen cycle, ect) in the future if we don't work to sustain what we have now. All of the mentioned cycles can already be artificially duplicated with enough energy input. Virus and disease will be an omnipresent problem, no matter how many humans are alive. Don't use bioengineering/genetically modified organisms/selective breeding as a scape goat for human disease, we will always have disease these techniques actually reduce disease in a population when done properly. If humans have unlimited energy we can survive with just a little more technological progress. We need energy, not the status quo.
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Question: Would abandoned deep mines be a bad place to store nuclear waste? I mean, really, we already made some deep holes to stick it beneath the bedrock underground.
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I honestly believe we need to stop expanding. Stop trying to produce MORE power....like we'll really offset fossil fuel use with nuclear, if anything, we'll need it simply to cover growing energy requirements of a ridiculously large population...stop expanding food production, stop expanding power production..meh...we're beyond sustainable, something will happen to cut us down eventually.
If we stop expanding, then we will be met with shortages. Rolling power blackouts, starvation, lack of fresh water, etc. We have to expand as long as the population keeps growing. So, are you suggesting some sort of limitation on the number of offspring people can have? How would you enforce it?
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because it makes so much sense to boil water and produce waste that you can never do anything with except store under a mountain in Utah...
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because it makes so much sense to boil water and produce waste that you can never do anything with except store under a mountain in Utah...

This is why our government needs to reinstate nuclear waste reprocessing.
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You're kidding right? There are more than enough resources to sustain us. What resources are missing? Clean water? Food? There is more water on this planet than land mass; hoards of stockpile in plant seed for bioengineering; and we have roughly just under 4.5 billion years left of sunlight to aid all of this, on top of artificial light which 99% simulates sunlight in the event we're blacked out in the skies before the end of the sun.
There are plenty of resources, on top of which can be supplemented by producing resources to aid shortages.

Well have fun drinking saline water. And what about fragile ecosystems that would be ruined with the industry, such as the amazon forest? What about the viruses and diseases brought by bio-engineering or by genetically modified organism or even by mass animal breeding?

Plant seeds? Really? A human needs a lot more to sustain itself than seeds.

With those seeds we get: food, oxygen, wood, fuels, medicine, and a number of other related items.

A human needs water more than food, but essentially humans need water, food, shelter (sometimes not), and oxygen (or roughly 'air' to breathe).

To counter on your other issues - diseases will go away, come back, new ones will be found and if you think something like the common cold has a cure, you're sadly mistaken. Industry ruining the ecosystems? Yep it happens. Sure does, has been happening for a long long time. But that doesn't mean we can't create industries that can supplement the harmful ones like: reprocessing plastics into new ones, recycling already used papers, finding a way to mitigate nuclear waste, finding ways to clean dirty water, planting more trees, shrubs, and plants altogether, and so on and so on. Some of these practices are already in place. Are they perfect? Nope. Can they be improved or even maybe return better than previous estimates? Yep.

Please for the love of the universe, and all that she has to offer, do not be diluted into believing that:

A) This Earth is dying.
B) We can't sustain ourselves.
C) Our technological feats aren't enough to help our species endure.
D) Our contribution to climate change can't be offset or is beyond a 'tipping point'.
E) That mankind doesn't have enough compassion, love and community to create a world better than inherited by it's predecessors.

Believing any of that will only aid in our species' defeat.
    
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This is why our government needs to reinstate nuclear waste reprocessing.

They still do reprocess Uranium. Unfortunately, they make it into bullets.
    
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