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If you are a gamer then yes, you should have gone Intel:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_CPU_Scaling/1.html
An OCN user made his own benchmarks between SB and BD. I can't find the thread but I do remember seeing a difference of 20 average FPS in Batman: Arkham City. That's very significant. BD flat out sucks for gaming and bottlenecks multi-GPU setups.
With both platforms costing the same amount of money, there really is no reason to go for BD if you want the best value.

In that article, most games were very similar, Infact most of the ones that were different, were VERY different.

However, in that article, on starcraft, the bulldozer is beaten by SB, yet in the article i posted they were near identical(BD slightly on top).

Clearly there is more going on here than "BD flat out sucks". The difference between the two articles tells me something changed between them. Most likely, software.

SB is faster per clock, we know this. So in single threaded apps(and games) it will pull ahead. Really no point in comparing single/double threaded games then, cause we know the SB will be faster thumb.gif

However, like i posted, there are plenty of applications that will use the full power of this CPU. Video editing/audio production and compression, the BD works quite well. Let's not forget, that in MOST games uses MOST setups, the BD will not be the bottle neck (especially after you clock it up another 1000mhz or so).

So, in reality, depending on what you want to do, it's a good buy. Apparently, it's selling quite well too, so that is pretty supportive thumb.gif
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Unless you have a specific app you know you're primarily going to be running wouldn't it be better to focus on the bigger picture?

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bulldozer is not that bad, it can handle everything just fine, it is just not as good as intel's
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Unless you have a specific app you know you're primarily going to be running wouldn't it be better to focus on the bigger picture?
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I wonder what graphics card was used rolleyes.gif crysis 2 40 fps, disgusting
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To the average person/regular use its not bad at all, if it does what you need it to do then its working but reasons why people bash on it was because of the hype/performance:cost ratio/ and the fact that its the latest architecture from AMD but its underperforming even compared to their phenom ii. Most people go with the sandy bridge as opposed to the bulldozer for the clock for clock performance, it runs much cooler and lower wattage.

Right now Intel has the upper hand in the market and you can see how when the BD didn't perform that great, Intel prices rose and now they're pushing out so many chips/chipsets. When AMD comes back the tides will calm down a bit but who knows, but in the end we still need AMD to be in the market or else we would be seeing higher prices.
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Unless you have a specific app you know you're primarily going to be running wouldn't it be better to focus on the bigger picture?
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your is better... is that all you wanted me to say? that make you feel better? lol whatever makes you sleep at night
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In that article, most games were very similar, Infact most of the ones that were different, were VERY different.
However, in that article, on starcraft, the bulldozer is beaten by SB, yet in the article i posted they were near identical(BD slightly on top).
Clearly there is more going on here than "BD flat out sucks". The difference between the two articles tells me something changed between them. Most likely, software.
SB is faster per clock, we know this. So in single threaded apps(and games) it will pull ahead. Really no point in comparing single/double threaded games then, cause we know the SB will be faster thumb.gif
However, like i posted, there are plenty of applications that will use the full power of this CPU. Video editing/audio production and compression, the BD works quite well. Let's not forget, that in MOST games uses MOST setups, the BD will not be the bottle neck (especially after you clock it up another 1000mhz or so).
So, in reality, depending on what you want to do, it's a good buy. Apparently, it's selling quite well too, so that is pretty supportive thumb.gif

The differences were in CPU limited games (Starcraft 2, Skyrim, World of Warcraft, Civilization 5, etc) which shows the impact the CPU itself has on the games. The differences are very significant even at 2560 x 1600 resolutions where you would think the games would become GPU bound at that point. But we see otherwise.

Also the "review" you posted was SCII running on the lowest settings at 1920 x 1200 resolution. What relevance does that have? We can clearly see the "difference" between the two articles and what "changed between them". rolleyes.gif

Sales doesn't mean jack squat either as marketing is never honest.

Regardless, is the benefit in video encoding worth the sacrifice in everything else?
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=434

Do note the above is a 2500k with 4 gigs of RAM as opposed to the BD rig with 8 gigs. You can always select the 2600k from the drop down list to see HT in effect.

Personally, I would go with something that actually offers consistent performance instead of a product performing decently in one area and failing in the next.
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Unless you have a specific app you know you're primarily going to be running wouldn't it be better to focus on the bigger picture?
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I count 7 synthentics, and many games which we most likely put on settings not anywhere near reality (like we were talking about earlier). Which synthentics are coded to take advantage of BD? which are coded to support the highest IPC?

IF a benchmark or game is only using 2 of eight cores, it's only using 25% of a processor.

that's like benchmarking a 2500K which was declocked to 825mhz(25% of it's stock speed). You would prolly think something fishy is going on there, if you saw a benchmark like that.


If fully utilized, bulldozer's design is a good. In the current day, games and benchmarks favor the faster core, even if there are less of them. The real question is, in the future, are we going to stay a predominently 2-4 core model for gaming? Or will more cores be utilized at a later date? Impossible to tell, but we know where both companies are putting thier cards smile.gif
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Geez, inb4thelock. You guys are all butt hurt, if you're going to be arguing over pc hardware for gaming, you might as well get a console. YEA THAT'S, I SAID IT, RIGHT BRING ON THE HATE thumb.gif

I want your cpu drool.gif The REAL FX cool.gif
 
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The differences were in CPU limited games (Starcraft 2, Skyrim, World of Warcraft, Civilization 5, etc) which shows the impact the CPU itself has on the games. The differences are very significant even at 2560 x 1600 resolutions where you would think the games would become GPU bound at that point. But we see otherwise.
Also the "review" you posted was SCII running on the lowest settings at 1920 x 1200 resolution. What relevance does that have? We can clearly see the "difference" between the two articles and what "changed between them". rolleyes.gif

Yeah i was to lazy to check the different settings, but that is correct.

However, as has been mentioned here, SC2 uses two cores. No point in comparing there then(as i've said before), cause you're only getting 25% of a bulldozer, and the SB is faster at a given clock anyway. If SC2 at ultra settings is your main concern, the SB will do that better:thumb:
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Regardless, is the benefit in video encoding worth the sacrifice in everything else?
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=434

for me, Yes, absolutely. I have a 6870, I doubt a BD will be the bottleneck in most games, if i'm running a 6870.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z4ZzuGi1AY
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