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OP, did you ever get the G-TF Speed? IF so, what do you think? :S
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OP, did you ever get the G-TF Speed? IF so, what do you think? :S

I have a name you know. tongue.gif

Yes i did get the G-TF Speed and I am borrowing the original from a friend. I also bought the Hayate and I have owned the 9HD and the original Artisan Hien (the very slow one that was only 10 dollars when the company was first starting out) for a while.

Are there any questions that you have about them? I am thinking about doing a large review over all of these pads when the Hayabusa comes out late March and I will borrow my friend's Qck+ to add to the review as well but you can ask whatever you want of course!
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I have a name you know. tongue.gif
Yes i did get the G-TF Speed and I am borrowing the original from a friend. I also bought the Hayate and I have owned the 9HD and the original Artisan Hien (the very slow one that was only 10 dollars when the company was first starting out) for a while.
Are there any questions that you have about them? I am thinking about doing a large review over all of these pads when the Hayabusa comes out late March and I will borrow my friend's Qck+ to add to the review as well but you can ask whatever you want of course!

I don't know your name and don't want to call you cobra because I don't think snakes can type tongue.gif

I currently have the 9HD and am considering buying the G-TF Speed. I am wondering what the difference is in friction/speed. I like having a hard pad because it makes really quick flicks for rocket jumps and airshot easier, but also feel like a little more friction could help my shotgun accuracy.

Thanks for any feedback thumb.gif
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I don't know your name and don't want to call you cobra because I don't think snakes can type tongue.gif
I currently have the 9HD and am considering buying the G-TF Speed. I am wondering what the difference is in friction/speed. I like having a hard pad because it makes really quick flicks for rocket jumps and airshot easier, but also feel like a little more friction could help my shotgun accuracy.
Thanks for any feedback thumb.gif

You will probably like it then! It feels a lot like the 9HD but with a little more friction. Although the bottom of the pad is very picky and it either has a death grip on some desks or slides around worse than anything you have ever used before. I have a fake wood desk (particle board with "wood" covers on the outside to make it look nice. I think they are called wood laminate but that may be something else) and it did not stick to it at all. I had to use books on the top corners to keep it in place. If you have a glass or some type of glossy material for a desk then it will never, EVER slide and you would have trouble sliding it along without lifting it up or making your desk slide across the floor first. tongue.gif

Although out of all the mousepads that I own I would have to say that the Hayate and the G-TF are my favorites. I used the 9HD ever since I got my computer for about 1.5-2 years and even after all that time I really liked the other mousepads a lot more after just trying them out for a couple weeks (including the G-TF Speed, although it is my least favorite of the three). The Hayate has about the same (maybe a little less) friction as the G-TF Speed but is softer with a much smoother glide and has more control by far. The Hayate has about the same control as the G-TF (maybe a little more) but it has a MUCH smoother glide and mildly faster glide.

I am also really looking forward to trying out the Hayabusa when it comes out in a month since it is supposed to be a slightly slower version of the Hayate with more control and the same smooth glide. So you might want something like that too. I do not know which I would like more out of the two and I may never be able to decide! redface.gif

If you have more questions of want me to clarify something that I have said feel free to ask! I have to get working on some homework right now though so it may be a little bit before I answer this time. I will get back to you before the end of the day though for sure! smile.gif
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You will probably like it then! It feels a lot like the 9HD but with a little more friction. Although the bottom of the pad is very picky and it either has a death grip on some desks or slides around worse than anything you have ever used before. I have a fake wood desk (particle board with "wood" covers on the outside to make it look nice. I think they are called wood laminate but that may be something else) and it did not stick to it at all. I had to use books on the top corners to keep it in place. If you have a glass or some type of glossy material for a desk then it will never, EVER slide and you would have trouble sliding it along without lifting it up or making your desk slide across the floor first. tongue.gif
Although out of all the mousepads that I own I would have to say that the Hayate and the G-TF are my favorites. I used the 9HD ever since I got my computer for about 1.5-2 years and even after all that time I really liked the other mousepads a lot more after just trying them out for a couple weeks (including the G-TF Speed, although it is my least favorite of the three). The Hayate has about the same (maybe a little less) friction as the G-TF Speed but is softer with a much smoother glide and has more control by far. The Hayate has about the same control as the G-TF (maybe a little more) but it has a MUCH smoother glide and mildly faster glide.
I am also really looking forward to trying out the Hayabusa when it comes out in a month since it is supposed to be a slightly slower version of the Hayate with more control and the same smooth glide. So you might want something like that too. I do not know which I would like more out of the two and I may never be able to decide! redface.gif
If you have more questions of want me to clarify something that I have said feel free to ask! I have to get working on some homework right now though so it may be a little bit before I answer this time. I will get back to you before the end of the day though for sure! smile.gif

Thanks for the detailed response! It sounds like I'd like it, but I'm a little concerned about the base. My desk is also a sort of fake wood thing, and I certainly do not want my mouse pad moving. My 9HD moves fairly easily if I push the edge, but thankfully it never moves from normal use.

The Hayate sounds awesome too but I'm afraid that is far more than I want to spend on a mouse pad.
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Thanks for the detailed response! It sounds like I'd like it, but I'm a little concerned about the base. My desk is also a sort of fake wood thing, and I certainly do not want my mouse pad moving. My 9HD moves fairly easily if I push the edge, but thankfully it never moves from normal use.
The Hayate sounds awesome too but I'm afraid that is far more than I want to spend on a mouse pad.

Yes it is a pricey mousepad for sure. You might want to try out the original G-TF then. I ended up liking it a lot more than the speed version and my 9HD that I thought I would never replace. tongue.gif

It still can slide around a little, but not much. I mean after a few hours you might need to realign it with your desk lol. Nothing major. The speed version actually slid off my desk once and that is what prompted the books to weigh the corners down. If you have a good way to keep it in place that will not bother you then get the G-TF Speed, otherwise try out the G-TF and I bet you will like it! They are all very fast pads so when I say that one is slower than another it is slower than an already very fast pad, so it is still fast, just not as fast.

If you are feeling ballsy though then go for the Hayate. You will not regret it! While it is a lot for a mousepad, it isn't like you are blowing your life savings. Sometimes I just look at the money instead of the item when I am buying a premium item. IMO it is worth spending the money to enjoy the pad and experience using it. Then I have more knowledge the next time I think about buying a mousepad (if I ever do)! Some people might see it as a $50 mousepad, while others see it as a $50 experience if you know what I mean. Since I really like computers and everything about them, I do not mind spending the money so that I can try out as many types of mousepads as I want. tongue.gif

Like you said though that is a lot of money for a mousepad so I don't think anyone will blame you for not getting it if you don't want to.

What exactly are you looking for compared to your 9HD though? A better explanation of what you want will help me give you a better recommendation. smile.gif
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What exactly are you looking for compared to your 9HD though? A better explanation of what you want will help me give you a better recommendation. smile.gif

Well, initially I just wanted something bigger as over the past couple of months my in/360 has double. And then I thought maybe getting a cloth pad could be a good idea as I have never had one. I really enjoy how smooth and fast the 9HD is, but I do think I would be willing to sacrifice a little speed for more control.

So:

Bigger than 9HD
More control
Not significantly slower
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Well, initially I just wanted something bigger as over the past couple of months my in/360 has double. And then I thought maybe getting a cloth pad could be a good idea as I have never had one. I really enjoy how smooth and fast the 9HD is, but I do think I would be willing to sacrifice a little speed for more control.
So:
Bigger than 9HD
More control
Not significantly slower

Hmmmm...... well the fastest pads that I have used would be the Hayate and the G-TF Speed. Since you italicized "a little" I take it that you would really like the fastest cloth available. The first thing that you should know is that going from plastic to cloth you will give up some speed no matter what pad you go to. The pad that you would give up the least amount of speed with would be the G-TF Speed though. It also is a very hard cloth pad and I really even have a hard time calling it a true cloth pad for that matter. tongue.gif

This pad breaks down a little like this...

Hardness-- almost as hard as the 9HD, nearly no give at all but it still has woven fibers on top, even if they are very thin they still give a tiny bit.
Speed-- Fast, very fast. As close to a plastic pad as you can get with cloth really
Base-- If you have a glossy desk your mousepad will deathgrip it for you, if not then you will have to deal with it sliding around. It does not slide just a little, I mean there is almost no grip unless you put a decent amount of force down on your mousing hand or use weights to keep it from sliding.
Top Layer-- A little rough, very rough for a cloth pad but not so much for a plastic pad. Your mouse feet will probably only wear a little, especially not much compared to a plastic pad.
Control-- Like any pad that is almost as hard and fast as a cloth pad, it has almost as little control. Not much, but definitely more than plastic.


On the other hand I am thinking that you, like me, just simply have not tried a nice cloth pad or have not gotten used to one. In that case I would say that you should go for the G-TF. It is still a very fast cloth pad, and once you get used to it you will really start to love it. You will not even think about going back to plastic pads (at least that is what happened to me).

This pad is like this....

Hardness-- A little more firm than any other standard cloth pad (I hope you have tried at least one, or have an old rubber mousepad you can use to know what I mean). Rubber inside means it is plush, but still a little firm for a cloth pad. Like a firmer Qck.
Speed-- Fast for a cloth pad, but you will notice resistance when you are coming from a plastic pad. Once you get used to it it will feel very nice to stop on though.
Base-- Kind of a cheap rubber if you ask me. It will stick the same to just about everything, but it will not stick as well as you might hope. The stick can best be described as how rubber might stick to something when it gets a little dirty. It is still rubber though, so it is not easy to move, there are just better bases out there.
Top Layer-- Really it is almost identical to the Speed version. Maybe a little smoother which will mean more resistance and a little slower of a speed. I think most of the speed differences are because it is more squishy than the Speed though, not because of the top layer. I would say that it still classifies as rough though.
Control-- Offers good control. There are slower pads that have more but there are few with the level of control it has for the speed it offers. Very good control for the speed group that it is a part of.


Lastly, as I have said before my favorite pad is the Hayate by far and if you decide you want to spend the money on it then that would be your best bet. It is fast like the G-TF Speed and much smoother, sticks to whatever you put it on, and the control with it is the best out of the three after you have used it for a while and your mouse feet have gotten polished from the pad. smile.gif

This pad is like this....

Hardness-- Hard to describe really. Is VERY similar to the G-TF, however there is a difference in how they squish down when force is applied, but not much difference in the actual force needed. Lets see...
The G-TF makes this shape when pressed down on
\_[]_/
While the Hayate is more like this
\[]/
Where [] is your finger pressing down. It seems like the Hayate spreads out less and just sort of "hugs" what is being pressed into it, while the G-TF makes sort of a little crater like a normal mousepad.
Speed-- Fast of course. Faster than the G-TF. Not as fast as the G-TF speed but very close.
Base-- Never really felt one like it before. Feels like it wont really stick to anything but then it does and never lets go. If you leave it down on your desk for a while it actually starts to literally stick to it like a sticker. Although it is still very easy to take off when you want to and does not leave residue since there is none to leave.
Top Layer-- Very smooth! Like moving your mouse over butter. Silent as well and feels very nice to move the mouse over. No harshness to speak of like there is with the G-TF's a little and a lot with plastic pads.
Control-- Very good control. It is hard to describe since it is different than other pads. Since the speed is very high it feels like there is not much control, but when you want to stop suddenly the pad sticks the mouse in place at the very last second. I make it seem like it sticks when you move it and stop it but really that is not what happens. The stick is very small and only happens at the last second. A good way of describing it is that it is very good at stopping your mouse when you want to stop, but is very easy to overcome when you want to move your mouse. It really makes you have great control over the mouse and you do not notice it much at all. This is on the G-TF, but it is much less pronounced and feels more like your mouse is a boulder that is being slowed down quickly rather than suddenly being stopped at the last second. The G-TF Speed does not really have this effect much at all. Plastic pads do not have it.

All these pads are much larger than the 9HD and I find them to be a good size. I play with the Zowie AM on the lowest setting (450CPI, although most say this is not correct and it is actually closer to 490CPI) on default Quake Live sensitivity. It seems to be ~8.75in/360.

WHEW! That was quite a post. I think that I will use some of that in the review that I do sometime down the line!

Anyways, for the conclusion, the best pad for you IMO would be the G-TF Speed. At least it will be the best until you can get used to cloth pads more, then I would recommend you getting the Hayate hands-down. The only problem with the Speed is that it most likely will not stick to your desk at all. Because of this I would recommend you getting the Hayate. It would be a little slower than what you are used to and it would feel weird with the way it gives good control since you are used to pads that have almost none, but once you got used to it you would really like it.

Lastly, there is the G-TF. It is the slowest of the three and you will most likely like it the least, but you will get used to it and I am sure you will like it after trying it out for a week. It is still very fast for a cloth pad so it would not take long to get used to compared to most other cloth pads. It also would stay on your desk better than the G-TF Speed.



Basically you have to decide based on a few things...

G-TF Speed: It will not stick to your desk and will slide around (unless you have a glossy material to put it on). Is that a big deal to you? Can you solve it with books on the corners or something and have them not bother you?

Hayate: Expensive

G-TF: It is the slowest of the three. Coming from plastic pads it will be the hardest to get used to.


I think that you will like any of these pads, but you need to decide what you want to sacrifice right now for one of them. If you would like me to explain anything better or to just give it another shot at explaining a certain part to help you understand what I mean just ask! smile.gif
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Holy crap, most helpful post ever. Thanks for all the info. +rep

I think I'm going to have to take some time to decide between the G-TF Speed and Hayate...the latter is just so expensive, especially considering I'm about to drop $100 on a keyboard too. I thought I was crazy when I spent $35 on my 9HD...

One last question. How does the grip of the G-TF Speed compare to that of the 9HD on that laminate wood surface you mentioned earlier?
Edited by FlipBack - 2/28/12 at 9:29pm
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Holy crap, most helpful post ever. Thanks for all the info. +rep
I think I'm going to have to take some time to decide between the G-TF Speed and Hayate...the latter is just so expensive, especially considering I'm about to drop $100 on a keyboard too. I thought I was crazy when I spent $35 on my 9HD...

Alright! Thank you! I remember when I bought my keyboard as well! Spent about 120 for it. I love it though and I never will regret getting it (Cherry MX Brown Filco full size). biggrin.gif Also, if you want to avoid the international shipping the Hayate is available on Amazon now.

Here you go.

You will want the Large size. The medium is rather small (about the size of a shorter 9HD, same width).
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