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That only works on SC2 because you're always forced to upload the unoptimized / non-obfuscated / non-widgetized / uncorrupted versions. Names and ideas are made by the makers/community, not some corporation. Only thing they own is the map editor.

Yeah I think you are right. Just remembered that I actually have Warcraft III and the World Editor installed on this laptop. The ownership part of the World Editor reads..

"2. Ownership. All title, ownership rights, and intellectual property rights in and to the Program and any and all copies thereof (including, but not limited to, any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions, audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, any related documentation, and "applets" incorporated into the Program) are owned by Blizzard Entertainment or its licensors. The Program is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international copyright treaties, and conventions and other laws. All rights are reserved. The Program contains certain licensed materials, and Blizzard's licensors may protect their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement."

If I am understanding this correctly it means that any content that is pre-existing in the World Editor is property of Blizzard and cannot be reproduced outside of it. It doesn't say anything about user-created content including names. This would make sense as Dota 1 uses a lot of the same original Warcraft III spells and names with tweaked stats. Dota 2 also uses those same spells but the names are different which makes it perfectly legal for them to do.
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There is only one version of Warcraft III Dota that anyone cares about which obviously is the official version that is maintained and updated by IceFrog. Saying that there are several different versions is completely irrelevant. And your point about "the guy" who made LoL possibly naming it Dota 2 doesn't make any sense either. The game is entirely different than Dota and he no longer works on Dota. In other words your logic is incorrect.
Yeah I was actually going to mention that Blizzard had YEARS to trademark the game and contact IceFrog. They only have a problem with it when someone else finally trademarks the name. How could Blizzard have passed up on it? Its not like Dota is more popular than Warcraft III ladder and is one of the most popular esports in the world or anything like that.
I haven't read the Warcraft III World Editor ToS or EULA recently but I'm pretty sure Blizzard technically owns any map that is created within it and I think it is actually similar to SCII. I could be wrong though, Googleing it isn't doing me much good atm.

Guinsoo is the one that made map that is so popular, Icefrog took over and maintained it. Also when Icefrog took a break it was Pendragon who did eactly what Icefrog had been doing for many years though only for a much shorter period of time until Icefrog took back over. These two are the ones that sold the company that they trademarked dota under too Blizzard in 2011.

Also taken from MMO Champion about the map world editer EULA.
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Blizzard then goes on to argue that the World Editor EULA requires Blizzard's prior written consent to use for any commercial purpose, which they have granted to various 3rd parties for the promotion of the DotA mod
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Guinsoo is the one that made map that is so popular, Icefrog took over and maintained it. Also when Icefrog took a break it was Pendragon who did eactly what Icefrog had been doing for many years though only for a much shorter period of time until Icefrog took back over. These two are the ones that sold the company that they trademarked dota under too Blizzard in 2011.
Also taken from MMO Champion about the map world editer EULA.
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Blizzard then goes on to argue that the World Editor EULA requires Blizzard's prior written consent to use for any commercial purpose, which they have granted to various 3rd parties for the promotion of the DotA mod

Guinsoo did indeed contribute a lot to the map's popularity but I think it is fair to say that IceFrog helped make it explode. I thought that Pendragon only contributed small amounts to the map but was responsible for dota-allstars.com.

Dunno what you mean by "These two are the ones that sold the company that they trademarked dota under too Blizzard in 2011."

I also saw that part in the EULA but doesn't that mean you cannot use the editor for any commercial purpose? It doesn't say that you must have Blizzard's consent before using user-created content for any commercial purpose.
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Guinsoo did indeed contribute a lot to the map's popularity but I think it is fair to say that IceFrog helped make it explode. I thought that Pendragon only contributed small amounts to the map but was responsible for dota-allstars.com.
Dunno what you mean by "These two are the ones that sold the company that they trademarked dota under too Blizzard in 2011."
I also saw that part in the EULA but doesn't that mean you cannot use the editor for any commercial purpose? It doesn't say that you must have Blizzard's consent before using user-created content for any commercial purpose.

Guinsoo and pendragon when at Riot countered Valve's Trademark of dota with their own Via a company they called dota-allstars LLC back in 2010. The actual trademark is still pending like Valves. For a couple years it has been a subsidary of Riot, in 2011 they sold this subsidary, Dota allstars LLC to Blizzard. Pendragon is mostly known for his work with website but when Icefrog quit for a year it was Pendragon who did updates and stuff during that year.

link to the 3 pending trademarks under Dota allstars LLC

http://www.trademarkia.com/company-dotaallstars-llc-3617291-page-1-2
Edited by fantasyalive - 2/11/12 at 6:23pm
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Guinsoo and pendragon when at Riot countered Valve's Trademark of dota with their own Via a company they called dota-allstars LLC back in 2010. The actual trademark is still pending like Valves. For a couple years it has been a subsidary of Riot, in 2011 they sold this subsidary, Dota allstars LLC to Blizzard. Pendragon is mostly known for his work with website but when Icefrog quit for a year it was Pendragon who did updates and stuff during that year.
link to the 3 pending trademarks under Dota allstars LLC
http://www.trademarkia.com/company-dotaallstars-llc-3617291-page-1-2

Ah I see, good info there. Thanks for the link too. smile.gif
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Well, both company have nothing to do with DotA.
Ice frog is in charge of DotA: Allstars which is a fan made version of DotA, not the real DOotA.
However, Eul (creator of DotA) have not release new DotA patch for years.
Also Ice Frog alone should not represent the name DotA: Allstars. Because the map was a fan made DotA to gather the best of many different Fan-made DOTA, and Ice frog is not the creator of Allstars. The creator of DotA: Allstars work at Riot games, maker of League of Legends. I believe he sold the name DotA: Allstars to Blizzard, at least that is what I heard.

That said I don't really care it is just a name. It is about politic and marketing, both which I have no interest in.
Edited by Erio - 2/11/12 at 7:34pm
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Well Erio, you're incorrect.

Icefrog made DoTA: All Stars. Riot games had nothing to do with it, nor did the others. The most popular version of DoTA has always been Allstars. I can't even believe some people try to defend Blizzard in this case. It's the definition of fanboy.
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Well, both company have nothing to do with DotA.
Ice frog is in charge of DotA: Allstars which is a fan made version of DotA, not the real DOotA.
However, Eul (creator of DotA) have not release new DotA patch for years.
Also Ice Frog alone should not represent the name DotA: Allstars. Because the map was a fan made DotA to gather the best of many different Fan-made DOTA, and Ice frog is not the creator of Allstars. The creator of DotA: Allstars work at Riot games, maker of League of Legends. I believe he sold the name DotA: Allstars to Blizzard, at least that is what I heard.
That said I don't really care it is just a name. It is about politic and marketing, both which I have no interest in.
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Well Erio, you're incorrect.
Icefrog made DoTA: All Stars. Riot games had nothing to do with it, nor did the others. The most popular version of DoTA has always been Allstars. I can't even believe some people try to defend Blizzard in this case. It's the definition of fanboy.

Wrong Guinsoo made dota allstars, he is now works at Riot and I think one of the founders no less.
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Well, both company have nothing to do with DotA.
Ice frog is in charge of DotA: Allstars which is a fan made version of DotA, not the real DOotA.
However, Eul (creator of DotA) have not release new DotA patch for years.
Also Ice Frog alone should not represent the name DotA: Allstars. Because the map was a fan made DotA to gather the best of many different Fan-made DOTA, and Ice frog is not the creator of Allstars. The creator of DotA: Allstars work at Riot games, maker of League of Legends. I believe he sold the name DotA: Allstars to Blizzard, at least that is what I heard.
That said I don't really care it is just a name. It is about politic and marketing, both which I have no interest in.

Eul = original creator

Eul/Icefrog are at Valve now

Pendragon is just a forum owner or so... he doesn't do much with the editing of anything...

Guinsoo stops working on his map at 5.84b and c and then gives it to Icefrog ( current editor ) to continue with 6.00 to 6.73+ for at least 6-7 years by now.
He pretty much owns the map. No one has a copy of it ( the untouched and unaltered before release one ) or any relevant one.

you can make something nice in photoshop, but that's your own work... not photoshop owned...
Edited by czin125 - 2/11/12 at 9:00pm
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So they have the original creator and the creator of the most popular version.

Valve holds all the cards as far as i can see.
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