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Originally Posted by Nicnivian View Post

Like, I had, like, no idea that when I was buying my monitor, that, like, I bought it because it was thin and shiny. Like, wow. I'm glad someone on the internet could tell me exactly what I'm thinking and why I get something.

Like, oh em gee! Thank you, internets!
That's the type of post that gets you slapped.

I may have to see if I can find a nice crt for a good price. My trinitron tv looked amazing.

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post #82 of 116
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Originally Posted by d-block View Post

That's the type of post that gets you slapped.
I may have to see if I can find a nice crt for a good price. My trinitron tv looked amazing.
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As opposed to a post from a pretentious hipster who is basically telling everyone who doesn't buy a CRT that they're a misinformed idiot who doesn't know anything?

You got me...
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post #83 of 116
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Originally Posted by Nicnivian View Post

As opposed to a post from a pretentious hipster who is basically telling everyone who doesn't buy a CRT that they're a misinformed idiot who doesn't know anything?
You got me...

Hipsters have Apple laptops, not huge CRT monitors.
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post #84 of 116
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Originally Posted by Artikbot View Post

Um, yeah, whatever.
I find my IPS235 very impressive to be honest. IPS, LED. What people say it's worst for gaming.
A little bit of ghosting? Maybe, I don't notice it usually. Almost zero input lag, and AMAZING picture quality.
To be honest, I like too much my ultra-quiet ultra-cool ultra-low power consuming operation LED screens to ever go back to a CRT. Sure they look better (at least Trinitron tubes did), but I won't pay 5X power bills nor have a toaster on my desk. Ever again.

The FW900 doesn't make any sound, so "ultra-quiet" isn't really a positive of LCD versus CRT. True a CRT will give off more heat but it is barely more than my 30" IPS screens with CCFL's. Set at a proper brightness, the FW900 uses less than 150watts. That is only around 100w more than LED-back lit LCD's and comparable to having a hallway light bulb on. If you use your computer for 8 hours or less per day you are literally talking the difference between a couple of dollars in electricity per month.
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Originally Posted by TheRockMonsi View Post

I'm not going to lie, I would love to try a CRT some time to compare to my LCD, but until I can find one (and for cheap, too, no way am I dropping $300+ on a CRT) I'll stick with what I've got.

People drop $700+ on LCD's all the time but $375 for a display that cost $2500 new is too much? I guess I fail to see the logic when the Display is the most important part of a gaming computer.
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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post

My U2711 ****s on any CRTs.
Not to mention putting a CRT on my glass desk will probably shatter it.

I am sorry, the U2711 is the last LCD I'd ever own versus other LCD's, not to speak of it versus the FW900. Sparkly/dirty matte anti-glare LG IPS with ton's of ghosting and huge input lag. No thanks.
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Originally Posted by blode View Post

yeah, i can't stand the motion blur either!
i know when i'm sprinting or spinning in circles in real life, i love my ability to focus on blades of grass or the contour of the pavement beneath my feet as if it were a static image. CRTs are the only displays that satisfy my lust for only the most relevant and pivotal information; god forbid i'm unable to temporarily see that single strand of sunlight that a terrible 120hz LCD would shamelessly toss out while my character putzes about killing the monster before him.
and don't get me started on black light and color! these new LCDs are still so awful controlling the darkness of the image that i can hardly tell what objects are when i use them. "is that a shadow, really? that's lit up like a christmas tree!" i find myself saying, time and again. a charlie brown christmas tree that is, all gray and in the center of the Sun.
i mean really, what are the benefits of LCDs even?
size? wallmounting is as fleeting and trivial an idea as the ipad, and that's made by APPLE. who cares if you want the display up against the wall... this is a GAMING room, not a living environment. and as for desk space... please. get a HOMEWORK desk if you want to do HOMEWORK. the primary objective of any desk is to hold up your viewing portal into whichever escapist realm of you choose.
cost? that's stupid... economic factors don't even affect the majority of us. i'll just skip this talking point - too easy
power consumption / heat? take off your jacket, stay a while! what's 20 extra watts? refer to above answer wink.gif
finally, have you even ever seen multimonitor LCD setups? trash. callsignvega briefly dipped his toe into that painful world (http://www.overclock.net/t/1143724/3x-120hz-eyefinity-portrait-setup) and i think we can all see how disappointing the results are. picture in your minds with me how dazzling that display *could have been* if he'd gotten three CRTs up on that glass desk doh.gif
it's a night and day difference people! wake up

That dude with that 3x 120Hz Eyefinity setup doesn't have a clue what he is doing!
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Originally Posted by 4LC4PON3 View Post

Ok so I misunderstood there but most people like myself included own a glass desk and while a PC case yes is big does not usually weigh what a high end CRT will weigh. For someone like myself I am not sure if my Desk would hold a CRT. What is the weight of the Sony you have

The Sony FW900 weighs 94lbs and I have it on a glass desk.
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Originally Posted by jrbroad77 View Post

If your FW900 is such a great product, why aren't they still in production and selling like hot cakes? Gotta love the free market economy, products that people actually want are the ones that succeed.

It's because people want the cheapest, lightest, thinnest display possible irregardless of picture quality. Remember, the FW900 is the pinnacle of CRT technology and cost $2500 new. That is 2.5 times the cost of a 27" Apple cinema display. High quality CRT's have a lot of special components and are not cheap to make.
Edited by CallsignVega - 2/11/12 at 10:12am
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post #85 of 116
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Originally Posted by Nicnivian View Post

As opposed to a post from a pretentious hipster who is basically telling everyone who doesn't buy a CRT that they're a misinformed idiot who doesn't know anything?
You got me...

I would think OP was opposite of a hipster, as he shows he has/had all those LCD panels and seems to be an enthusiast like many OCN members are. He's just very passionate about CRT monitors for gaming, which I don't have much experience in, so I really can't argue towards why they aren't.
post #86 of 116
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Originally Posted by Erick Silver View Post

OK here's my input.
4. The shipping weight of a Sony GDM-FW900 Flat Widescreen 24" FD Trinitron CRT Monitor was/is 107.00 lbs. A comparable Sony PremierPro SDM-P234/B Widescreen 23" LCD Monitor is/was 28.4 lbs.
The monitors I have listed are comparable in screen size and are branded by the same company. I know that Amazon is not the best place for comparing thing bit Googleing a 24" CRT Monitor was giving very slim pickings for an item that is roughly 10 YEARS OLD.
Sony PremierPro SDM-P234/B Widescreen 23" LCD Monitor Tech Spec(via Amazon):
Widescreen 16:9 aspect ratio, 1,920 x 1,200 resolution
500:1 contrast, 250-nit brightness, ErgoBrite technology
176-degree viewing angles, 16 ms response time
Analog and digital DVI-D inputs
PC and Mac compatible; 3-year warranty
Cases and Expandability
Shipping Weight: 28.4 pounds
Sony GDM-FW900 Flat Widescreen 24" FD Trinitron CRT Monitor Tech Specs (via Amazon)
22.5-inch viewable screen
2,304 x 1,440 maximum resolution
0.27-millimeter dot pitch
PC and Macintosh compatible
Virtually flat viewing surface
Operating System and Software
Operating System: Windows NT Mac Windows 98 Windows 2000 Windows NT 3.5 Windows NT 4 Windows NT 5 PowerMac Windows Me Windows XP Windows 2000 Server Mac OS X Mac OS 9 and below Windows
Shipping Weight: 107.8 pounds
Now. Comparing the two monitors I listed above which would you rather have?

I'd take the bottom one obviously. Especially when that listed LCD is mediocre at best.
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Originally Posted by chrisguitar View Post

even that monitor he showed didn't even have a dvi port or hdmi. vga is an old analog signal that shouldn't be used anymore.
not saying you're wrong.

You obviously have no clue on how video cards output signals. Even the most modern graphics cards like the AMD 7970 and the upcoming nVidia Kepler have 400MHz RAMDAC's. They convert to a perfect analog signal and can run a quality CRT just as well as all video cards in the past. Both DVI and HDMI can send the analog signal via their ports through an adapter and run flawlessly. You better tell AMD and nVIdia that they shouldn't be used anymore. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by Shozzking View Post

Just want to point out that you can get LCD monitors with greater pixel density than the CRT that you're referring too (such as this Samsung). As far as input lag goes, I challenge you to prove that you can see the difference between instant and 5ms (I can guarantee that you're just experiencing a placebo effect). Lastly, I'd like to point out just how much space CRTs take up. I couldn't imagine having a dual monitor setup with CRTs, I'd have no desk space left (and I have a huuuuuge desk). In fact, a CRT would take up at minimum 2x as much space as my computer (and I'm using one of the biggest cases around).
BTW, if the CRTs are that great then why are you mentioning how great your eyefinity setup is in pretty much every single one of your posts?
I'd also just like to point out that 1/4 of OPs posts are in this thread rolleyes.gif

LCD pixels and CRT aperture grill dot-pitch aren't directly comparable. Not to mention aperture grill dot-pitch changes from the center of the screen outward. I will guarantee you that the FW900 running 2304x1440 on a 22.6 inch view-able is quite a bit higher resolution image than that 23" 2048X1152 that you posted.
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Originally Posted by bryonhowley View Post

Well I am glad you are happy with your CRT. Enjoy the weight power consumption Radiation Screen Burn In they look real nice after the task bar has been burned into them! I take my 3x Asus 27" led/lcd's any day of the week.

Late model CRT's have almost immeasurably low amounts of radiation. You walk out in the sun for a couple of seconds and you get more radiation than a CRT provides in a month. That has been de-bunked many many times. CRT's have strict regulation and designs in place to almost completely eliminate radiation. Also screen burn in doesn't occur on modern CRT's as they have materials applied to prevent that. Modern CRT displays are less susceptible than older CRTs because they have a layer of aluminum behind the phosphor which offers some protection. The aluminum layer was provided to reflect more light from the phosphor towards the viewer. As a bonus, the aluminum layer also prevented ion burn of the phosphor and the ion trap, common to older monochrome CRT displays, was no longer required. You would literally have to leave a stationary image on for like a week straight to get any burn in. Hardly what I would consider a "problem".

Also, your 3x 27" setup uses more power than a FW900.
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No way I could fit my Mic, 360, speakers, on my desk with a CRT..
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No way I could fit my Mic, 360, speakers, on my desk with a CRT..

The FW900 isn't any wider than your current monitor. Or are you saying your desk is very narrow and would push the CRT too far forward?
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No way I could fit my Mic, 360, speakers, on my desk with a CRT..
Or are you saying your desk is very narrow and would push the CRT too far forward?

Even that wouldn't be more of an issue than on an LCD since the stand is also quite close to the screen on these CRTs. He'd only need more space behind the stand, which doesn't have to be a part of the table. You just need empty space behind it.
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Originally Posted by Kokin View Post

I would think OP was opposite of a hipster, as he shows he has/had all those LCD panels and seems to be an enthusiast like many OCN members are. He's just very passionate about CRT monitors for gaming, which I don't have much experience in, so I really can't argue towards why they aren't.
Thank you sir, it seems like most of the flamers have not read my first post and grasped the concept that I love gaming and think gamers have gotten the raw end of the deal from display manufacturers. I fell into the whole, LCD, eyefinity, etc, la la la thing for almost a decade and it wasn't until I picked up an FW900 two weeks ago that I realised how bad gamers have been slighted.
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Hipsters have Apple laptops, not huge CRT monitors.
I would rep you if I could, dang mod status, hahaha. Yea, I couldn't figure out if he was trying to be cute, funny or actually serious. The flame bate was strong in his tone so I stayed away thumb.gif
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You have been a member since 2009 and yet only have 39 posts and 1 rep. This means that you do not spend enough time here to completely understand the way this forum works. A lot of the members consider you to be trolling and this can lead to infractions and reporting. Please attempt to stop being so close-minded. So please. Before you start flaming people for being in this decade with their hardware perhaps you should do sufficient research before opening mouth and inserting CRT. That being said above I feel that I must point out to you that your Avatar is against the OCN TOS in being an inappropriate overly sexual image. I suggest you change it before an infraction shows up in your PM box.

and for some freaking reason this stupid website has switched me to Rich Format...

"This is Rich Format content so you've been switched to the Rich Editor."

Erick, I see that your stalking my posts in other threads, which is a little bit creepy. Just a little teeney, eeney bit! Anyway, I think its pretty obvious that I'm not trolling. I posted ten years of gaming research with almost every conceivable combination of LCD & Flat panel displays in my original post, complete with pictures. For me to go through all of that and then spend my hard earned money to try out "Old CRT," technology pretty much speaks volumes about how "open minded," I really am.

My avatar is of a woman in a Bikini and the context of the image is comedic and not sexual. If you have a problem with women in Bikinis and clean comedic fun, then I humbly suggest you seek professional help. I pulled the Avatar straight from Google, so if you have a problem with it please take it up with their TOS as Im sure they have many more things which will offend you. But please feel free to send a complaint to the mods and tell them how to do their job, I'm sure they love that.


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But the hot girl can cook and is good in bed just not as good as the other girl.
learn to accept that.

No she really cant, she burns everything and has Chlamydia!
Edited by l88bastar - 2/11/12 at 3:12pm
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