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Good choice. Update the firmware to 0309 and then install. No more worries.

"Don't get the Vertex 3/Agility 3 because they BSOD if you don't update the firmware. Get the M4 instead, but you have to update the firmware or it will BSOD"

lol, true, however that is not the issue as a whole, there is a lot more to it than that.
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Is this a good SSD for a boot drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226225

No. That drive is basically Mushkin's version of the Vertex 3. The same problems the Vertex has will effect that drive as well.

The m4 is a much more reliable solution.

And $40 more expensive...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148448
This^

also look here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1215103/staples-128gb-crucial-m4-ssd-131-tax-w-free-shipping

looks like staples is cheaper!
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I have a 128gb m4 and it's great. You'll love it.

I know; I have one in my current system. smile.gif

This thread was just me being super stingy and not willing to chip in a measly 10 bucks to get my cousin a reliable drive. But turns out I have an ethical side hiding inside somewhere after all.
pfft, ethics, who needs them? rolleyes.gif
post #22 of 33
Try maybe a Patriot Pyro 60GB ssd .
That is a SF 2281 drive with 3.3.2 firware .
I have 2 of em . One in my lappy since 7 months, the other as Windows partition for my main sig rig since 3months .
I never had any issues with it . Patriot , and Sandforce apparently solved the BSOD bugs a long ago .
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Thanks but it is to late now

It will be here Fri
 

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And $40 more expensive...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148448


 

    
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Return it unopened and buy the M4. You may be able to talk them out of the restocking fee, but even if they refuse, you'll still be paying less for a far more reliable drive.
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Its hard to know what to do

newegg - Products covered by this return policy may only be returned for a replacement of the same

 

I did like the specs

 

Performance

Max Sequential Read
Up to 560MB/s
Max Sequential Write
Up to 515MB/s
4KB Random Write
Up to 90,000 IOPS
Seek Time
0.1 ms
MTBF
2,000,000 hours

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Try maybe a Patriot Pyro 60GB ssd .
That is a SF 2281 drive with 3.3.2 firware .
I have 2 of em . One in my lappy since 7 months, the other as Windows partition for my main sig rig since 3months .
I never had any issues with it . Patriot , and Sandforce apparently solved the BSOD bugs a long ago .

ROFL. Yeah, that's why this happened to one of Anandtech's writers....
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As luck would have it, our own Brian Klug happened to come across an unexpected crash with his 240GB non-Intel SF-2281 based SSD two weeks ago when he migrated it to another machine. The crash was an F4 BSOD, similar in nature to the infamous BSOD issue from last year. While two of the systems we reproduced the BSOD bug on were cured by last year's firmware update, Brian's system (an X58/Core i7 build) was BSODing regularly playing Battlefield 3. Games end up being a great way to trigger the SF-2281 BSOD issue as they frequently switch between periods of idle and load, which does a good job of stressing the power state logic in SandForce's firmware. I immediately sent Brian an Intel SSD 520 to see if the BSOD remained on Intel's drive. Switching to Cherryville caused Brian's BSODs to go away. Indeed most end user reports of SF-2281 BSODs went away with the fixed firmware, but we've still heard of isolated issues that remain unresolved. Whatever Intel has done with the 520's firmware seems to have fixed problems that still remain in the general SF-2281 firmware.

This is actually a dangerous precedent as it means one of two things. The first possibility is that SandForce has been made aware of flaws in its current firmware and chooses against (or is legally prevented from) disclosing it to its partners. The second possibility, and arguably even worse for SandForce, is that Intel was able to identify and fix a bug in the SF-2281 firmware without SandForce knowing it existed or was addressed. I suspect it's the former but as no one is willing to go on the record about the Intel/SandForce agreement I can't be certain.

Source.

And that's not even mentioning that the Pyro uses the same asynchronous cheap nand that kills incompressible data performance in the Agility/Solid 3 series.
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After over 5200 hours of use...sure. That's nearly one FULL year of 24/7 use. rolleyes.gif And the 0309 Firmware completely fixes it.
There is no fix for Sandforce drives like the Vertex / Agility. So you'll have BSOD issues eventually with those regardless. At least with the M4 its fixed. rolleyes.gif

I guess I'm the only one that doesn't have any issues then...


Google search tells me that the only people that have had any issues are the ones that bought the drive before the 2.15 firmware came out. I'm having trouble finding anyone in the last 3 months that has had a BSOD directly attributable to the SSD. Mine came with 2.15 and is completely problem free, so that tells me that the issue was either a bad batch or something is wrong with OCZ Toolbox.

My personal opinion is that they got a bad batch, which given their history selling ram happens quite frequently. Their problems pinpointing the issue stems from the fact that it probably wasn't firmware related and that there really wasn't a software fix, and that they released the "2.15" firmware when the QC problem at Sandforce was corrected just to shut people up.

In the end its all you can really expect from OCZ. Half of the products they release have major QC issues. I ordered my Vertex 3 fully expecting to have to RMA it, but instead I was pleasantly surprised. Its faster and cheaper than the M4
    
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post #28 of 33

Thanks for the update +1

The mushkin shows firmware 3.3.2

http://www.mushkin.com/Digital-Storage/SSDs/MKNSSDCR120GB-DX.aspx

 


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I have the Corsair Force GT 120GB and it's a sand force 2280 drive but I haven't had any issues with it on my Intel platform connected to the Intel Sata III port. Right now newegg has a sale on the same drive for about $20 less than I paid making me want to buy a second one for my other port. It seems everyone jumps on M4 as the defacto standard like an AMD CPU owner being told to go Intel all the time.
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After over 5200 hours of use...sure. That's nearly one FULL year of 24/7 use. rolleyes.gif And the 0309 Firmware completely fixes it.
There is no fix for Sandforce drives like the Vertex / Agility. So you'll have BSOD issues eventually with those regardless. At least with the M4 its fixed. rolleyes.gif

I guess I'm the only one that doesn't have any issues then...

Google search tells me that the only people that have had any issues are the ones that bought the drive before the 2.15 firmware came out. I'm having trouble finding anyone in the last 3 months that has had a BSOD directly attributable to the SSD. Mine came with 2.15 and is completely problem free, so that tells me that the issue was either a bad batch or something is wrong with OCZ Toolbox.

My personal opinion is that they got a bad batch, which given their history selling ram happens quite frequently. Their problems pinpointing the issue stems from the fact that it probably wasn't firmware related and that there really wasn't a software fix, and that they released the "2.15" firmware when the QC problem at Sandforce was corrected just to shut people up.

In the end its all you can really expect from OCZ. Half of the products they release have major QC issues. I ordered my Vertex 3 fully expecting to have to RMA it, but instead I was pleasantly surprised. Its faster and cheaper than the M4
Oh you are no the only one, many have not had issues, it is simply the fact that Sandforce drives are more likely and prone to having issues over other alternatives.

But remember it is not simply OCZ alone, all makers of SandForce drives as well. And the main thing against OCZ is their quality and customer service.

Also, I've helped people with issues with the newest firmware out and still a no go. It may be like you said, a bad batch, but yet the drives i've tried getting to work have been purchased at completely different dates, some even coming with the newest firmware.

But, lets not just rag on SandForce drives and b/c there is still one odd issue happening with the M4 that i can note on. Some people have an issue where the 4K threaded reads drop to half in AS SSD and other benchmarks. IDK what causes it or if it is even a issue with the drive or software, but atm it is not really a priority by Crucial to fix from what i've seen. But still when a major issue arises they have demonstrated they take action and solve issues fairly quickly in comparison.
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