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15% IPC improvement. Which is solid, as long as it's across the board. That, along with hopefully an extremely refined process will make it a competitor. Significantly lower power consumption and maybe 5.5ghz daily on water would be wonderful(After all given the architecture, it is supposed to be a high clocker. AMD admits them selves that they were dissapointed with final clock speeds on current FX(mainly because of GF). While doubtful, one can still hope. However, look @ OG Phenom 2. It took 1.6v for 4ghz and daily OC's were lucky to get above 3.6 ~ 3.7... 980s and 1100t 's can do 4.2 and even 4.4. Process enhancement is a BIG deal.
Piledriver has the capability to do exactly what Phenom 2 did to the enthusiast community. Dominate <250$ sales and spark a huge positive light on AMD.

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I like AMD and debated 1100T vs the i7 2600k. Ended up going the Intel rout this time but like AMD GPUs rather than paying for Nvidia.
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AMD pretty much pulled out of the "extreme" market.
Now days they will continue to make enthusiast products such as Piledriver, but not something like SB-E.
So no 1000 dollar CPUs from AMD.
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AMD pretty much pulled out of the "extreme" market.
Now days they will continue to make enthusiast products such as Piledriver, but not something like SB-E.
So no 1000 dollar CPUs from AMD.

They haven't had an extreme market since the original FX days, nor do they have the funds to do so.
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They haven't had an extreme market since the original FX days, nor do they have the funds to do so.
Exactly.
They just haven't really admitted that they pulled out of that niche market until now.
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I'm planning to go with ivy bridge if piledriver doesn't turn out to be a reasonable upgrade from my 965. I'd say you should do the same since there isn't to much of a reason you should switch right now.
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Bulldozer was bad. I don't think AMD is in good shape in the CPU market and I NEVER buy any of their CPU's but they are rocking in the GPU market, they make awesome GPU's. I'm Intel + AMD/ATi for graphics all the way
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As long as intel released the 2500k version of Ivy (3570K?) at 235 I don't see AMD *ever* getting that price point back.

Under that I suppose they could but I really don't think it's their focus anymore. I mean you have to realize even if FX was super successful Intel still has the ability to push as much as 5X the volume. AMD has been working on processors a very long time and I'm sure they have a lot of expertise. I think they should focus on new markets and oppurtunities. Basically anything but desktop because right now Intel simply has them beat soundly.

I'm not saying that to mean get out of the desktop market either. Maybe they focus on a low power chip and out of that comes a beastly desktop CPU kind of like what happened with centrino and the core architecture for intel. There's tons and tons of room to grow as a chip maker. TVs will be integrating computers very soon and basically every person on the planet wants a tablet and smartphone in addition to a desktop and laptop. There's a ton of places for them to go rather then put tons of money into a barely growing desktop PC market.

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As long as intel released the 2500k version of Ivy (3570K?) at 235 I don't see AMD *ever* getting that price point back.
Under that I suppose they could but I really don't think it's their focus anymore. I mean you have to realize even if FX was super successful Intel still has the ability to push as much as 5X the volume. AMD has been working on processors a very long time and I'm sure they have a lot of expertise. I think they should focus on new markets and oppurtunities. Basically anything but desktop because right now Intel simply has them beat soundly.
I'm not saying that to mean get out of the desktop market either. Maybe they focus on a low power chip and out of that comes a beastly desktop CPU kind of like what happened with centrino and the core architecture for intel. There's tons and tons of room to grow as a chip maker. TVs will be integrating computers very soon and basically every person on the planet wants a tablet and smartphone in addition to a desktop and laptop. There's a ton of places for them to go rather then put tons of money into a barely growing desktop PC market.
Just my two cents.

Yeah. With Bulldozer AMD even lost the price for performance ratio which is what I think is what was a lot of their sales. The only reason I can see someone buying Bulldozer is because they already had an AM3+ board or because "OMG 8 cores has to be the best!!!!"
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Another thing is... AMD is going to continue using whatever Global Foundries and IBM can produce (die process).
Intel is still ahead by at least a year.
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