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2/12/12 at 4:19am
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Why are you guys talking about G92 so much? confused.gif
8800GTX (G80) were released in November of 2006. The 8800GT / GTS 512 (G92) were released in October of 2007, and rebranded for 3 generations. And guess what? The G80 was still 10-15% faster (GTX / Ultra).
How can you POSSIBLY say that G92 was a success when the G80 still walked all over it? confused.gif


That's the whole point, Fermi didn't bring what G80 did, so G92 fits more to what a GF100 would live up to comparison wise which it doesn't in the longevity/efficiency department.

Pretty much sums up why i think G92 was brought up in here. Just besides a good budget card I don't think the GTX470 set much precedence. G80 pulled the shock and awe while G92 standardized it for all. thumb.gif
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2/12/12 at 4:24am
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If you ask me, we haven't seen a "shock and awe" card since the G80. It was literally 2x faster (50%) than previous generation. It took 7950GTX's in SLI to even come CLOSE to the GTX. We can't say that about any of the newer cards at all. They're always at best 10-15% faster.
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2/12/12 at 4:36am
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If you ask me, we haven't seen a "shock and awe" card since the G80. It was literally 2x faster (50%) than previous generation. It took 7950GTX's in SLI to even come CLOSE to the GTX. We can't say that about any of the newer cards at all. They're always at best 10-15% faster.

I believe the main reason this is true, is for marketing and business. It just makes more sense from a "I need to make money off developing this technology" stand point to release products that are only slightly better for much more as we near the potential capabilities of silicon.
Just my monetary conspiracal take on things at least tongue.gif
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G80 is what you'd call legendary. I spent $700 on my 8800 Ultra in September of 2006 and used the hell out of it. Then I bought a 9800GTX thinking it would be better than the Ultra - boy was I wrong. The 8800Ultra is now a collectors item and still sells for hundreds of dollars to this day. I sold mine in 2010 for $300 on ebay was bought less than an hour of listing it. 8800 Ultra's are very rare and hard to find as most people simply didn't buy them.

My GTX 470 is an amazing card. I can still completely max out BF3 at 1920x1200 and play completely fluid with no hitches. It was well worth the $360 I paid for it. I could buy a GTX 570 or GTX 580, but why bother? I'm one of those types of guys that will use and abuse a card until games become unplayable at max settings - so far no game I've played has done this, with the ONE exception - and that's only if you use maxed out Physx is Metro 2033.
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2/12/12 at 5:28am
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Why are you guys talking about G92 so much? confused.gif
8800GTX (G80) were released in November of 2006. The 8800GT / GTS 512 (G92) were released in October of 2007, and rebranded for 3 generations. And guess what? The G80 was still 10-15% faster (GTX / Ultra).
How can you POSSIBLY say that G92 was a success when the G80 still walked all over it? confused.gif

Yup, G92 was the budget card of the 8000 series.

The important thing is that the G80 maxed out every single game for over a year (Crysis was released a little over a year after the 8800 GTX). Talk about ahead of its time.

The GTX 470 can't even max out Metro 2033, which was out at its release.
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2/12/12 at 5:35am
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Unfortunately, it's not. Given the crappy VRMs, it is garbage. Just like the GTX590. Garbage.

meh.. you don't even know how to read. THIS thread is about the GTX 470 NOT the 570 .
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Metro 2033 looks amazing and is certainly not poorly optimized. Its DX11 settings are not "just for show."
Once again, the 8800 GTX maxed out every game before Crysis was released. It took over a year for the card to struggle with a game.
At stock settings, G80 actually maintained 50 FPS in Lost Planet DX10. The cards that couldn't handle the game were actually the ATi 2900 series which averaged in the 20s IIRC. The GTX 470 can't even get 50 FPS in Metro 2033. That's at least one game that the GTX 470 struggled with on release.
Note that just because the GTX 470 (or GTX 580 as your bring up) wasn't as good for its time as the 8800 GTX was does not mean that it is a bad card. It is just not legendary, hall-of-fame tier like the G80.

The difference is now most games are console ports that are not that optimized for PC. Before 2007 most of the well-known and popular PC games are created mainly for the PC so they mostly highly optimized for it, just a few exceptions.
Also I am sure the 8800 GTX was struggling with Lost Planet. The game was not optimized at all just like Crysis.
8800 GTX wasn't able to max out Crysis, Lost Planet, Doom 3 (16xAA) , Oblivion & F.E.A.R Original (with Softshadows). (In 1600x1200 which was the standard for that card)
The GeForce 7000 series were also very weak cards in heavily-shaded games (Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion) just like the late HD6000 series with tessellation. And X1950 XTX was a much better card than the 7900 GTX in that area. sometimes performing close to the dual-gpu 7950 GX2. So Nvidia "mostly" fixed the issue with 8000 series just like how AMD did with the HD7000 series.
I know with the integrated-benchmarks the 8800 GTX can get 100 fps in F.E.A.R & DOOM 3 but the real world game play is a different experiance.
F.E.A.R during hectic moments can be very demanding. Even for today's mid-range hardware.
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Please keep the swearing out of your posts guys. wink.gif Just an FYI. wink.gif
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post #49 of 91
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The difference is now most games are console ports that are not that optimized for PC. Before 2007 most of the well-known and popular PC games are created mainly for the PC so they mostly highly optimized for it, just a few exceptions.
Also I am sure the 8800 GTX was struggling with Lost Planet. The game was not optimized at all just like Crysis.
8800 GTX wasn't able to max out Crysis, Lost Planet, Doom 3 (16xAA) , Oblivion & F.E.A.R Original (with Softshadows). (In 1600x1200 which was the standard for that card)
The GeForce 7000 series were also very weak cards in heavily-shaded games (Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion) just like the late HD6000 series with tessellation. And X1950 XTX was a much better card than the 7900 GTX in that area. sometimes performing close to the dual-gpu 7950 GX2. So Nvidia "mostly" fixed the issue with 8000 series just like how AMD did with the HD7000 series.
I know with the integrated-benchmarks the 8800 GTX can get 100 fps in F.E.A.R & DOOM 3 but the real world game play is a different experiance.
F.E.A.R during hectic moments can be very demanding. Even for today's mid-range hardware.

Not sure what the 7900 series has to do with G80.

In real-world gameplay and benchmarks the GTX 470 performs horribly in Metro 2033 and turns into a slideshow in Witcher 2 (with Ubersampling, since you're bringing settings like 16xAA into this rolleyes.gif [not sure that even the 7970 can handle Ubersampling]).

G80 handled every game maxed out before Crysis much better than the GTX 470 handled games at release.

I honestly don't know how you could possibly believe that the GTX 470 could even be mentioned in the same breath as the 8800 GTX when it comes to staying power. It's a good performer but it's nowhere near where G80 was for its time, console-port-apologetics aside.
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Please keep the swearing out of your posts guys. wink.gif Just an FYI. wink.gif

Oops who swear? I am sure I didn't. And I am sorry If I did doh.gif
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