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Is Sparkle 400W good enough for ASUS M5A88-V + FX-4100 + G.Skill DDR3 1600Mhz?

Poll Results: Is Sparkle 400W good enough for ASUS M5A88-V + FX-4100 + G.Skill DDR3 1600Mhz?

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  • 33% (2)
    yes
  • 66% (4)
    no
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post #1 of 40
Thread Starter 
As some may have recently noticed here I've been trying to put a new budget cpu + mobo + ram bundle together and have come to the realization that my Sparkle PSU doesn't have an ESP12V connector for the new motherboard and may not have enough power to juice the new bundle, let alone light overclocking. So I've opened this thread to find out if I need to (or should) replace the lil guy?

HOpefully it's still good enough... biggrin.gif

This low budget PSU is what I have now:
SPARKLE ATX-400PN-B204 400W ATX 12V 2.2 Power Supply - OEM (It's a rebadged FSP so it's a good quality build from Fortron)

These low-budget parts (except for the RAM) are what I'm going to get:
ASUS M5A88-V EVO AM3+ AMD 880G HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
AMD FX-4100
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

If the Sparkle is good enough (and for light overclocking), is it OK to use a 8-to-4 pin connector or a 4 Pin + LP4 to 8 Pin connector , whether or not I need to use the whole 8-pin CPU power connector for stock or overclocked settings?

Does that make any sense?

If I need a new PSU then....(sigh) what's a good budget one?
Edited by Stealth3si - 2/11/12 at 6:06pm
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post #2 of 40
How much light overclocking are we talking about? No GPU?
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post #3 of 40
If there's no dedicated GPU you should be alright. Although that CPU is going to use a ton of power if you overclock it, especially if you overvolt it
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post #4 of 40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trumpet-205 View Post

How much light overclocking are we talking about?
The following will be overclocked as high as possible on stock cooler, stock CPU voltage, stock Core voltage, up to 50-55 celsius temperature:

CPU multiplier and FSB will be oc'd;
that G.Skill RAM frequency will be oc'd to 1600Mhz @ DRAM Voltage 1.50V, CPU-NB Voltage 1.20V as per G.Skill's suggestion.
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Originally Posted by trumpet-205 View Post

No GPU?
No GPU. There will be only the onboard video.
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Originally Posted by Pentium-David View Post

If there's no dedicated GPU you should be alright. Although that CPU is going to use a ton of power if you overclock it, especially if you overvolt it
As I overclock it, I won't overvolt it but I will monitor the power consumption with a kill-A-watt, if that is good to use.
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post #5 of 40
Keep in mind it uses multi-rail on +12 V with each rail has rated of 216 W max. Rail 1 goes to the motherboard and rail 2 goes to the GPU (hence rail 2 is meaningless to you). So in the end it acts like a 216 W PSU. Not enough considering you are overclocking BD, which is a power hungry CPU.

Rosewill Green 430 and Corsair CX430 are better PSU than Sparkle in this case. They use single rail design, with max rated wattage on +12 V of 396 W and 336 W respectively. If you use Kill-A-Watt to measure power consumption your cut-off point (point to stop any further OC'ing) should be 400 W at the outlet.

However, if you overclock on stock cooler (which I don't recommend), then you will hit CPU temperature wall before hitting the wattage wall.
Edited by trumpet-205 - 2/11/12 at 8:33pm
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post #6 of 40
that PSU look fine to me with everything on stock speed and volts not for overclocking
Go with something like a
Corsair CX 430 V2 45$
at same price and if you want a cheaper one then a
Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W 35$ thumb.gif

as far as overclocking on Stock it suckssss go with a decent cooler like
Enermax ETS-T40 T.B.SILENCE CPU Cooler 30$
or cheaper option is a
ZALMAN CNPS5X Performa 92mm 20$

hope that helped thumb.gif
Edited by Tarun - 2/11/12 at 9:06pm
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post #8 of 40
You're perfectly fine with the FSP unit you already have, nothing to worry about.
post #9 of 40
Your Sparkle PSU will work fine.
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post #10 of 40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trumpet-205 View Post

Keep in mind it uses multi-rail on +12 V with each rail has rated of 216 W max. Rail 1 goes to the motherboard and rail 2 goes to the GPU (hence rail 2 is meaningless to you). So in the end it acts like a 216 W PSU. Not enough considering you are overclocking BD, which is a power hungry CPU.
Rosewill Green 430 and Corsair CX430 are better PSU than Sparkle in this case. They use single rail design, with max rated wattage on +12 V of 396 W and 336 W respectively. If you use Kill-A-Watt to measure power consumption your cut-off point (point to stop any further OC'ing) should be 400 W at the outlet.
can you provide documentation of numbers on the overclocked fx-4100 full load on everyday usage, applications, excluding games? I would be surprised if it went over 200.

that's fine if you don't, i would test it myself by first usiong a new cooler on it and monitor the kill-a-watt and if it passes 200 mark on full load of OS performance and apps only then i'll get a new psu.
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Originally Posted by trumpet-205 View Post

However, if you overclock on stock cooler (which I don't recommend), then you will hit CPU temperature wall before hitting the wattage wall.
is it going to hurt the cpu in the long run? i've read numerous places where ppl overclock to 1Ghz on stock cooling!
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Originally Posted by Tarun View Post

that PSU look fine to me with everything on stock speed and volts not for overclocking
Go with something like a
Corsair CX 430 V2 45$
at same price and if you want a cheaper one then a
Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W 35$ thumb.gif
as far as overclocking on Stock it suckssss go with a decent cooler like
Enermax ETS-T40 T.B.SILENCE CPU Cooler 30$
or cheaper option is a
ZALMAN CNPS5X Performa 92mm 20$

hope that helped thumb.gif
it certianly did... but would you think it's worth investing in overclocking in my configuration if you were seeking to see significant improvements in only os performance and apps?
i would pick the middle one
Edited by Stealth3si - 2/11/12 at 10:32pm
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