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Maybe i'm just not ready to give up my optical drive. But here is my major issue.
Never once have I glanced at my laptop and said, 'hot dang, that optical drive is really getting in the way'.
I prob wouldn't say that because I don't ever use the phrase 'hot dang' but you get the picture.

Right, so again, you're not an early adopter or someone they are targeting. At this point it would be beyond early adopters - people have been operating essentially without optical media for a while.

The point isn't to address a need that people have identified, their customers aren't screaming "get rid of these DVD drives!" Apple knows that the market is headed for small, ultra portable laptops and they are addressing that before it happens. It doesn't matter if you cling to your optical drive, it will obsolesce, Apple is calling it (and is helping make it happen). In 10 years or so time, optical media will not exist on laptops and Apple will have already made the adjustment ahead of the curve.

Love it or hate it, it isn't about what you use or why - it is about what you WILL use and HOW.

Edit - take my prediction with a grain of salt, I'm not an industry consultant. But it is an obvious trend.
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Right, so again, you're not an early adopter or someone they are targeting. At this point it would be beyond early adopters - people have been operating essentially without optical media for a while.
The point isn't to address a need that people have identified, their customers aren't screaming "get rid of these DVD drives!" Apple knows that the market is headed for small, ultra portable laptops and they are addressing that before it happens. It doesn't matter if you cling to your optical drive, it will obsolesce, Apple is calling it (and is helping make it happen). In 10 years or so time, optical media will not exist on laptops and Apple will have already made the adjustment ahead of the curve.
Love it or hate it, it isn't about what you use or why - it is about what you WILL use and HOW. And I dare say that Apple is more in control of that vision, and clear on it, than many of us are.

You have a point, no argument there. But...

...it begs the question as to why this exists.

http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MC684ZM/A

Any why its 80 dollars as oppose to a reasonable 30.
    
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It exists for people who can't leverage current technology. That will always cost those people money, apple or no. And it IS designed, aesthetic, blah blah. But people typically see no value in that, which I can understand (but not defend).

There is nothing wrong with people paying for aesthetics if that is what they want.

You could also buy an $8 usb DVD drive and be done with it. Or not buy a optical media-less machine if you have a need for optical media... I would personally be able to do everything in the cloud and from local servers without ever having to touch a DVD beyond initially receiving it and burning it to ISO via my desktop which DOES have an optical drive because I still use optical media for games (not by choice).
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It exists for people who can't leverage current technology. That will always cost those people money, apple or no. And it IS designed, aesthetic, blah blah. But people typically see no value in that, which I can understand (but not defend).
There is nothing wrong with people paying for aesthetics if that is what they want.
You could also buy an $8 usb DVD drive and be done with it. Or not buy a optical media-less machine if you have a need for optical media...

Although I am a person that is in touch with the current technological advances as I operate in the field, i'll end by saying that it exists solely because some people prefer to have their software on disc. Its actually a preference rather than a reluctance to accept technological advances.

I hate smart phones, but that doesn't mean i'm not in tune with progress. Anyways, again, good points, I agree, but there are two sides to the story, and the other side is simply preference.
    
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But tell me.

Why, besides preference, is optical media superior to cloud storage, or storage on flash media?

For instance, I prefer cloud storage, but can list a bevy of real world advantages it provides for people with ample internet access. The only thing I can think of against cloud storage is downtime. If you have a physical disk, you have it. That being said, I've been without 2mb down internet for like.... 12 hours in the last year.

To each his own, I know people that still use ZIP drives
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But tell me.
Why, besides preference, is optical media superior to cloud storage, or storage on flash media?
For instance, I prefer cloud storage, but can list a bevy of real world advantages it provides for people with ample internet access. The only thing I can think of against cloud storage is downtime. If you have a physical disk, you have it. That being said, I've been without 2mb down internet for like.... 12 hours in the last year.
To each his own, I know people that still use ZIP drives

For transferring a word document, its faster for me to put it on a flash drive than on a cloud. Also, internet down time. Also, if I just need to print something. There's a good list of why flash memory is great - I much prefer it to the "Cloud", which i've always found slow, and clunky.
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For transferring a word document, its faster for me to put it on a flash drive than on a cloud. Also, internet down time. Also, if I just need to print something. There's a good list of why flash memory is great - I much prefer it to the "Cloud", which i've always found slow, and clunky.

I'm differentiating non optical from optical, I mentioned flash drives several times. However, here's an example of why the cloud is superior:

With cloud storage, I can access applications and any amount of data anywhere I have an internet connection. I can edit, collaborate and share my data instantly with anyone else anywhere in the world that has a computer. My actual programs are cloud based, so I have no need for an install and am not tied to a machine or even an OS to access my programs.

You can't do that with a flash drive. The "cloud" is a universal access solution. It is almost entirely better than physical media FOR THOSE THAT CAN LEVERAGE IT. Apple is just bringing that concept to people faster, and speeding that natural progression along.

Edit - It isn't faster to put your paper on a thumb drive if a proper cloud solution exists because you still need to walk to another computer, put the thumb drive in and transfer (you could get a virus, you share the entire drive, there are a long list of drawbacks). With a cloud solution, you not only don't need to have the word processing application installed, when you hit save, it is automatically made available for the intended recipient before you could even have time to eject your thumb drive. Also, printers are not excluded from the cloud - you should be able to send a print job to Tokyo from your airplane over Chicago, because the cloud negotiates all access.

That is a vision we are headed towards. Getting more people to adopt cloud based services means more robust services for everyone.

BTW I buy downtime as a concern, but only really for business. There is little (basically zero) downtime in my consumer internet life to warrant worry over access to cloud data being interrupted and anything essential should have a local back up whether consumer or corporate. To be honest, I've had more downtime from flash and disk failure than I have from internet outage. Sorry to turn to a cloud discussion, but I think it is an interesting decision, and I'm surprised that so few people see the benefits of cloud storage.
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My original post pertained to Apples new macbook pro's. I can see advantages to both the cloud as well as using an optical drive. For instance, watching a movie won't consume 1 gb of bandwidth. Or downloading starcraft 2 won't consume 8 gbs of bandwidth. Its actually more expensive. As a side note, I would assume that using the 'cloud' costs a monthly fee as well.
    
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My original post pertained to Apples new macbook pro's. I can see advantages to both the cloud as well as using an optical drive. For instance, watching a movie won't consume 1 gb of bandwidth. Or downloading starcraft 2 won't consume 8 gbs of bandwidth. Its actually more expensive. As a side note, I would assume that using the 'cloud' costs a monthly fee as well.

Simple USB optical drive if you must watch movies would suffice.

For the most part, i despise using Compact Discs, easily scratched and broken then you're data's gone ( happens easy with a dog and 2 kids running around ). This is why I most prefer Flash/NAND memory, and even keep my own stuff backed up on a local server that I can access anytime.
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I buy CD's regularly, buy Hard copies of games, and watch DVD's on my sig rig.

I guess I must be the minority then!

Would be so bad without my 2 optical drives.
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