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oh come one, you know that it beats the previous version by at least 5°C when it runs on a 2011 socket cpu.
the SB-E version is def worth but only needed if you plan to upgrade your system or already own it


again: pccooling is the official european distributor for thermalright products, wich means that they make money from every single Thermalright cooler being sold. I know them personally and have a good relationship with them, but i do not take their testing seriously. they are basically promovideos to sell their products. so please stop it.
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but thats not a 100% reason to say its fake
okay lets make a deal, lets just wait for upcoming testings thumb.gif

not even worth to discuss about that anymore.
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but it's most certainly not a good reason to treat it as fact either, like you do.


Anyway, the last sentence in my review says that it will probably profit from a bigger CPU, so it's not like i'm hiding this possibility. I'm sure most people want to know how it performs on a smaller CPU, too, since very very few people actually own a 2011 CPU.
So please ignore my reviews and stop commenting if you dont think it got useful information, thank you.
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My Review of the Silver Arrow SB-E:

http://www.pc-max.de/artikel/kuehlung/test-thermalright-silver-arrow-sb-e-cpu-kuehler

Results with Stock Fans:
http://www.pc-max.de/artikel/kuehlung/test-thermalright-silver-arrow-sb-e-cpu-kuehler/10480
Results with 2x Noctua NF-P14 @12V:(green bars)
http://www.pc-max.de/artikel/kuehlung/test-thermalright-silver-arrow-sb-e-cpu-kuehler/10482#g11197-12V
Results with 2x Noctua NF-P14 @500rpm: (green bars)
http://www.pc-max.de/artikel/kuehlung/test-thermalright-silver-arrow-sb-e-cpu-kuehler/10482#g11200-Performance
Results with 2x Noctua NF-P14 @12V with OC: (green bars)


To sum it up for you guys:

Results with Stock Fans @12V:
  1. SA: 32,7
  2. D14: 33,2
  3. SA SBE: 33,4
  4. Archon: :34,8


Results with 2x Noctua NF-P14 @12V:
  1. D14: 32,7
  2. SA: 32,9
  3. SA SBE: 33,5
  4. Archon: :34,6

Results with 2x Noctua NF-P14 @500rpm:
  1. SA SBE: 39,1
  2. D14: 40,5
  3. Archon: :41,8
  4. SA: 42,2

Results with 2x Noctua NF-P14 @12V with OC:
  1. SA: 52,8
  2. D14: 52,8
  3. SA SBE: 53,9
  4. Archon: :55,2

Bottom Line: The SA SB-E is slightly behind the D14 and the SA, maximum 1°C. But it's like 3°C better at low fan speeds.
I personally prefer the new TY-141/150 fans.



To me the interesting part is, that it's superior at lower fan speeds, since that's how i'm gonna use my cooler thumb.gif
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but thats not a 100% reason to say its fake
okay lets make a deal, lets just wait for upcoming testings thumb.gif
not even worth to discuss about that anymore.

He never said it was "100% fake," or anything of the sort. Only that you should keep in mind the source of the review, and any potential conflicts of interest that may arise from that. Even with independent reviews of any product, tech, or otherwise, you sometimes see questionable conclusions, that can often reflect a bias the review source has.

This may not be a direct comparison, but NCIX's unboxings, and overviews tend to be very popular. At times, they'll also have miniature reviews of products with quantitative results included. No matter what the product is, or how mediocre it may be, the presenter always presents them in a good light, because they'd very much appreciate your money, no matter how good/bad the item is in comparison to others in its segment.

Another example of conflicts of interest would be the issue that many had with Tom's Hardware. If you're using a PSU testing facility for your reviews, which happens to belong to one of the major PSU brands, it's going to raise some eyebrows. That isn't to say that results won't be accurate, or skewed in anyway, only that it's only natural for people to question the possibility of issues arising.

In the event that you overlooked the ComputerBase review I posted earlier, that would make at least three reviews so far, which have somewhat similar results in comparison to the rest of the field.
post #56 of 72
btw could you do a test with the stock fans at 5/7V ? this would be very interesting

edit// ah i see its listed on the link, wow this is impressive. the review is actually really nice

@Metric the test you posted is also not on a 2011 socket, its like testing a formula one car in the city while it belongs to the race track.
the SB-E edition is as the name said, made for sandy-e
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Yes, I'm aware of that. I was commenting on the specific point being debated about the source of the review, and that only so much stock can be placed in the findings; at least until it can be compared to other independent results.
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The whole argument doesnt make sense anyway.
The Phanteks, Alpenföhn K2/Deep Cool Assassin, Dark Rock Pro, Zero Infinity, Alpenföhn Himalaya and a few other High End Heatsinks have a bigger Baseplate than the old Silver Arrow, too.
So now, because Thermalright calls their new cooler "SB-E", it becomes such an important issue, that only LGA2011 tests are relevant all of a sudden?
Fact is, that the SA SBE is a multiplatform cooler and most people who'll buy this will use it on non-SBE-CPUs, just like the Phanteks or Alpenföhn K2.

Anyway, note that the taller base becomes a bigger issue if you use direct touch heatpipes and the outer heatpipes dont have contact to the IHS at all. (like the Zalman 12x on LGA 1155).
With a copper baseplate like its used by thermalright and most other high end heatsinks it really becomes a minor issue.
Because even with a bigger IHS most of the heat STILL comes from the center of the CPU, so even on LGA2011 the outer Heatpipes never work as efficient as the inner ones. Whether the heat is transferred from the center to the outer heatpipes through the (bigger) baseplate or the (bigger) IHS doesnt make that much of a difference. And i would be surprised if the difference is more than 1 or 2°C.




Btw, here is someone who tested both on an i7-3930K@4,8GHz:

"Zitat von epica80
wie schlägt er sich denn im bezug auf den alten Thermalright Silver Arrow ?"

" Der Umstieg lohnt nicht, der alte kühlt ansich sogar taken besser bei mir am S2011/S1366"
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f136/thermalright-silver-arrow-sb-e-lga775-1155-1156-1366-2011-am2-am3-fm1-874555-2.html
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Deepcool Gamer Storm Assassin (Alpenföhn K2) & Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E


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Testing platform
Processor
Intel Core i7-3960X 4.50GHz (100x45) 1.45V

Radiator
Thermalright Archon
Deepcool Gamer Storm Assassin
Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E
Noctua D14 SE2011

Grease
Thermalright Chill Factor3

Fan
Thermalright TY-140 1300RPM

Board
ASUS Rampage IV Extreme X79

Test software
Core Temp 1.0 RC3
Prime95 (In-place large FFTs)

Ambient temperature: 15 ° c (± 0.5 ° c) relative humidity: 60% (± 5%)

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