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Is there any other technical factors that I should look for? Also while this may not be a huge issue to many people, but does anyone know whether there are speakers built into the monitor. I am a lil quirky about this being a graduate with a music degree and I really hate it when I cant use my own speakers.

You can use your own speakers...even if there's built in speakers. My 3007 doesn't have built in speakers, I can't say about the others.

Even if a monitor has onboard speakers, just don't connect them. wink.gif
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You can use your own speakers...even if there's built in speakers. My 3007 doesn't have built in speakers, I can't say about the others.
Even if a monitor has onboard speakers, just don't connect them. wink.gif

Hmmmm.... there's a thought! Although for some crazy reason I thought the monitors with speakers in them were connected through the video card connection. I know that makes no sense, and now that I think about it, I have realized how stupid of a question that is.
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You can use your own speakers...even if there's built in speakers. My 3007 doesn't have built in speakers, I can't say about the others.
Even if a monitor has onboard speakers, just don't connect them. wink.gif

Is there a reason you don't use a dell ultrasharp monitor? Or is it just the price?
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You can use your own speakers...even if there's built in speakers. My 3007 doesn't have built in speakers, I can't say about the others.
Even if a monitor has onboard speakers, just don't connect them. wink.gif

Hmmmm.... there's a thought! Although for some crazy reason I thought the monitors with speakers in them were connected through the video card connection. I know that makes no sense, and now that I think about it, I have realized how stupid of a question that is.

Sometimes they are. It depends on the connection. If you're using VGA or DVI, the speakers will also have a 3.5mm cable that's seperate. Just simply don't use it.

If you're using HDMI, then yes it COULD come out from the video card and into the monitor. Just simply don't use the HDMI output for sound (set in the sound control panel).
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Rep for all, thanks for your input.
Edited by ccbrowski - 2/13/12 at 2:12am
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The newer monitors don't come with the sound bar by default anyway, perhaps not even as an option (not totally sure), although the ones that exist supposedly fit and work fine on them (the sound is not built into these monitors, but is on a separate sound bar that attaches to the bottom of the monitor).
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The "response time" is exaggerated. Ignore it. Look up the input lag differences instead, I know there's a graph floating around somewhere that shows the input lag differences.
There's NO WAY that any panel is ACTUALLY 2ms response time. Believe it or not, they're all closer to 12-16ms or higher, even if they claim 2.

My LG W2442PA has an average response time of 3.2ms, but that's only because it drops to 16ms 20% of the time. 80% of the time its literally 0, so yea, my panel is actually 2ms.

Even then I don't notice the difference between it and my U2312HM biggrin.gif
    
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Most of the Dell Ultrasharps are IPS panels. So any other IPS panel should theoretically be just as good. The reason we recommend the Dells though is because they tend to have less input lag compared to the other IPS panels out there. Less input lag = better for gaming.

Now, your standard run of the mill, TN panels....they do tend to have even LESS input lag. However they lack the great colors that IPS offers. And the Dell Ultrasharps have literally no "noticeable" input lag anyway.

Honestly, there's a reason we all recommend the Dell's. Before I got mine (just got it a few weeks ago), I thought everybody that recommended the Dell's were silly. But honestly the color difference is such a night and day, unbelievable difference. And if you have the cash for the 2711 or 3007 (or 3011), then the added resolution just sweetens the deal that much more.

Dell ultrasharps aren't known for less input lag. Especially the higher end these days all exhibit input lag. Yours is a scalerless / OSDless model, so it doesn't have input lag that will be noticeable. The modern u2711 and u3011 will have input lag that will be noticeable to some, not all.
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Worth mentioning is the relatively slow response (not quite to the extent of badly visible ghosting, but blurring) and the AG coating of the Dell IPS panels (and many IPS panels, but Dell is said is do it more aggressively?). Both bother me more or less on mine, but they're both more or less tolerable though, and it's absolutely fantastic otherwise (I wish the density/PPI were just a little better, but unless you get a larger resolution, this seems scarce on most LCDs anyway).

The vast majority of all IPS panels have aggressive AG. The level of it does have some variation (the one on the u2711 is considered among the worst. Combined with high pixel density, text reading will be fine but not the best experience you could get). Models like the u**12(h)m models have less aggressive AG, but it's still quite aggressive. The only really non aggressive AG is found on AOC i2353Ph/Fh on IPS panels according to review sites (haven't seen it myself). Then there's a handful of glossy IPS panels, such as the dell ST2220T, ACD displays (only some of them), some hazro displays, and some older NEC displays. Of course, this is a bit exaggerated, but still, if you dislike AG, consider it a downside for most IPS panels.
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All of the Dell ultrasharp screens have a 6ms response time or greater. Does anyone encounter issues with this while gaming?
As said, ignore the numbers because it's not a consistent or accurate way to go about it.

For what it's worth, my quoted 6ms UltraSharp U2410 is nowhere near as responsive/smooth as my previous CRT, not even at the desktop where simply moving the mouse is a blurry mess comparatively, and scrolling is blurred as well too if you know where to look (which makes it not deal-breaking alone, I suppose). These are not gaming/response time excelling panels. That being said, when it comes to actually just doing something or gaming, I've found it to be "alright", and surprisingly, the blur isn't as much of an issue in the faster paced stuff/scenes, but in slower stuff/scenes, the soft blur on the edges is rather evident. I wouldn't say to let it make or break the deal to most, but it is there, and I can see it bothering some just like it doesn't bother some, so I figured I'd mention it. I'm not sure how the UltraSharp U2711 and U3011 compares though. I think the UltraSharp U2711 is supposed to have some rather high input delay though?

Don't bother with "game mode" and such, because A) it helps input delay only, which isn't bad as-is in my opinion, but not the response, and B) it makes the colors look terrible!

If you're on the u2410, you can use the lowered input lag of game mode on sRGB colors if you want by enabling game mode and hovering over the selection of sRGB mode but not confirming. But I recall you already know this. Still thought it might be a fitting comment here for anyone interested.
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You can use your own speakers...even if there's built in speakers. My 3007 doesn't have built in speakers, I can't say about the others.
Even if a monitor has onboard speakers, just don't connect them. wink.gif

Is there a reason you don't use a dell ultrasharp monitor? Or is it just the price?

His monitor is the earlier dell lineup, dell itself hasn't attached the label ultrasharp to it, but it's still a part of the series in any way you look at it. Should be considered one.
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The "response time" is exaggerated. Ignore it. Look up the input lag differences instead, I know there's a graph floating around somewhere that shows the input lag differences.
There's NO WAY that any panel is ACTUALLY 2ms response time. Believe it or not, they're all closer to 12-16ms or higher, even if they claim 2.

My LG W2442PA has an average response time of 3.2ms, but that's only because it drops to 16ms 20% of the time. 80% of the time its literally 0, so yea, my panel is actually 2ms.

Even then I don't notice the difference between it and my U2312HM biggrin.gif

Response time or input lag? If response time, how did you measure this?
Edited by De-Zant - 2/13/12 at 2:26pm
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If you're on the u2410, you can use the lowered input lag of game mode on sRGB colors if you want by enabling game mode and hovering over the selection of sRGB mode but not confirming. But I recall you already know this. Still thought it might be a fitting comment here for anyone interested.
I think it's either Game or Multimedia mode you hover over, actually. You've got to do it every time you turn it on or change inputs or anything though, so I haven't been bothering. The input delay/lag or whatever isn't what bothers me so much; it's the actual slow response of the pixels which leads to blurring.
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i am also looking for some monitors can compete with the dell ultrasharps...
Edited by Remix65 - 2/13/12 at 8:19pm
    
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