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We already knew that Linux was faster and all around better. But until people move to it, developers won't touch OpenGL as long as they're using Windows and DirectX.
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As many times as I've tried to like it, I can't. I've tried both 11.04 and 11.10 as well. I hate the new interface most of all. It was nice, and ran fast, but as he mentioned, key applications are what count, and Ubuntu is missing that (at least practically).

And you can change the Desktop Environment with ease. You aren't locked down to just one like with windows. You have your choice of a couple hundred.
post #12 of 79
I don't care for Ubuntu anymore since the change to Unity.
Now Windows is attempting to go with something similar called Metro.
I like Linux Mint 11 because it doesn't have all the extra garbage that Ubuntu has.
Linux Mint 12 is the same way, too much garbage to be useful. (Gnome 3)
It's no surprise that Linux beats Windows on benchmarks and such, the only thing left is gaming for Linux to win in all areas.
I love it when I install Linux on a clients computer and it boots up so fast in front of them and I tell them "It's on and ready"
Then they say "Really?"
They are thinking that is has the old Windows boot/load time thing that has to do it's registry song and dance before it can be used.
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I don't care for Ubuntu anymore since the change to Unity.
Now Windows is attempting to go with something similar called Metro.
I like Linux Mint 11 because it doesn't have all the extra garbage that Ubuntu has.
Linux Mint 12 is the same way, too much garbage to be useful. (Gnome 3)
It's no surprise that Linux beats Windows on benchmarks and such, the only thing left is gaming for Linux to win in all areas.
I love it when I install Linux on a clients computer and it boots up so fast in front of them and I tell them "It's on and ready"
Then they say "Really?"

They are thinking that is has the old Windows boot/load time thing that has to do it's registry song and dance before it can be used.

^ This

Kubuntu 9.04 loaded so fast off SSD that I was in disbelief that it actually was loading. It even smokes Windows 7 startup and shutdown, which is just slightly better than Windows XP Professional x64.

I am re-doing my laptop right now. Got XP x64 Pro on this weekend on a new HD install. Gonna make it dual boot soon with Linux Mint KDE.
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New vs. 2-3 year old OS, sounds legit.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Torch View Post

I don't care for Ubuntu anymore since the change to Unity.
Now Windows is attempting to go with something similar called Metro.
I like Linux Mint 11 because it doesn't have all the extra garbage that Ubuntu has.
Linux Mint 12 is the same way, too much garbage to be useful. (Gnome 3)
It's no surprise that Linux beats Windows on benchmarks and such, the only thing left is gaming for Linux to win in all areas.
I love it when I install Linux on a clients computer and it boots up so fast in front of them and I tell them "It's on and ready"
Then they say "Really?"
They are thinking that is has the old Windows boot/load time thing that has to do it's registry song and dance before it can be used.


Edited by Kauke - 2/13/12 at 8:43am
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It's no surprise that Linux beats Windows on benchmarks and such, the only thing left is gaming for Linux to win in all areas.
Not really.... Windows still destroys Linux is applications and support. These two factors are arguably the most important areas for mainstream adoption.
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Until everything can be configured through a GUI, mainstream users or even office server admins will not be interested in using Linux. I tried Ubuntu fairly recently, to setup a LAMP server, but was disappointed by how much still had to be done through editing text configuration files.

I eventually settled on OpenSuSE, which is much better because of the YaST configuration tool, but there are still things that have to be configured through text editors and the command line.

Power management on Linux is still in very poor shape compared to Windows. I'm having trouble getting my monitor to turn off instead of just displaying a black screen. It's crazy!
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post #17 of 79
Tried Ubuntu...Liked it a lot but I just need my Windows. Everyone complains about Windows but for me, it's the perfect platform and it gets better and better with each new version. Up 'til today I was rockin' Win 8 and I was lovin' it. I just wish they would drop the cost a little but then again, this is Microsoft . tongue.gif
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I'm honestly considering cancelling my netflix subscription and making sure they know it's because of no linux support.

One of the main reasons why I have to resort to dual booting on one laptop. Just to be able to view Netflix on it.
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Honestly, Ubuntu is all around trash. Not only is it slow, cluttered and a coding mess, but it is unstable. They base this operating system off Debian unstable and butcher the absolute crap out of it.... I used to run 11.04 on my netbook, but it was far too slow and unstable in every way. I then decided to throw on Debian 6 and it was way faster, stable and everything worked out of the box without modifying everything... Threw on Windows 7 last on my netbook and now it flies even with aero, far faster than Ubuntu ever was. If you want to use a Linux OS, go with the original, faster and more stable Debian 6.
Personally though, I think Linux sucks as a desktop OS. It is great for servers and that is all I ever use on my servers, but as a desktop OS it is not that great.

I bolded your issue right there. Why would you try and run a full fledged Ubuntu build on a netbook? I run Linux Mint 10 LXDE on my netbook and it runs amazingly well. There is a reason why Canonical made Ubuntu Netbook Remix... rolleyes.gif
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^ This
Kubuntu 9.04 loaded so fast off SSD that I was in disbelief that it actually was loading. It even smokes Windows 7 startup and shutdown, which is just slightly better than Windows XP Professional x64.
I am re-doing my laptop right now. Got XP x64 Pro on this weekend on a new HD install. Gonna make it dual boot soon with Linux Mint KDE.

I prefer LXDE over KDE but it all comes down to peoples personal preferences.
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We already knew that Linux was faster and all around better. But until people move to it, developers won't touch OpenGL as long as they're using Windows and DirectX.

The annoying thing was developers did use OpenGL, and then Microsoft made some fake stuff up with Vista that was pretty much limiting OpenGL support to 1.0 and a slow way of doing it at that, hence why everyone went DX. OpenGL's (Or at least, a subset) used on the Wii and PS3 iirc too, so it's not the amount of users that limits it.
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Until everything can be configured through a GUI, mainstream users or even office server admins will not be interested in using Linux. I tried Ubuntu fairly recently, to setup a LAMP server, but was disappointed by how much still had to be done through editing text configuration files.
I eventually settled on OpenSuSE, which is much better because of the YaST configuration tool, but there are still things that have to be configured through text editors and the command line.
Power management on Linux is still in very poor shape compared to Windows. I'm having trouble getting my monitor to turn off instead of just displaying a black screen. It's crazy!

Is this really your complaint...? If you're setting up a LAMP based server, you'll know how to edit text configuration files. Even if you're doing the Windows equivalent I bet you have to. For most normal tasks (Eg. Go on facebook, play flash games on it, check email, installing programs, etc) everything is done through a GUI and has been since 2008 at least. If you do a lot more than that, even in Windows, you tend to have to use the CLI. For example I have to use cmd to move Program Files, Program Files (x86) and the Users folder for separate HDDs in Windows, because it speeds up stuff by having them separate to the main OS. It's the same with Linux, really, if you want to do stuff that only an enthusiast would really do then you'll have to use the Terminal.

And if you're an office server admin who has no interest in CLI based stuff, you're not an admin. It's as simple as that, a real admin recognizes that CLIs are extremely powerful and arguably faster than GUIs for a lot of admin tasks. (Eg. Setting up an automatic backup)
Why else does Linux own the server world?
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One of the main reasons why I have to resort to dual booting on one laptop. Just to be able to view Netflix on it.

Use a VM heart.gif

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The annoying thing was developers did use OpenGL, and then Microsoft made some fake stuff up with Vista that was pretty much limiting OpenGL support to 1.0 and a slow way of doing it at that, hence why everyone went DX. OpenGL's (Or at least, a subset) used on the Wii and PS3 iirc too, so it's not the amount of users that limits it.

Yeah, I remember a lot of my games giving me an option of which to use (D2 being the main one).
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