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I won't go into specifics but I guess you're lucky not to see the pinwheel of problems often or enjoy long standing well documented security issues get patched up whenever the hell Apple feels like it. OSX(Mac) isn't any more polished or stable than a well maintained distro/user system the difference is who is in charge...some company or you the end user? Again....freedom/responsibility are always second rate to convenience in people's choices. Hell, compared to a Gentoo user I'm probably still sacrificing freedom for convenience. As for the going Linux then Windows then Mac....I got to say you're the first I've ever heard of doing that.

Well I was referring more to the progression from Linux, then to windows 2000 which was quite polished and stable compared to the WM of the month back then, (windowmaker) and then OS X which got better after a few versions. I've used all three since then in different capacities but OS X always comes out on top for me as a desktop OS.
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Everyone says Ubuntu has potential. they said it last year, and the year before that, and the year before that......
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Everyone says Ubuntu has potential. they said it last year, and the year before that, and the year before that......

Strangely they don't always say the same thing about Windows. rolleyes.gif
     
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Everyone says Ubuntu has potential. they said it last year, and the year before that, and the year before that......

Ubuntu had potential pre 10.04 up until then it wasn't as bad as it is now, which is why most Ubuntu'ers are moving to Mint.
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WINE: Wine is not (an) emulator.
wink.gif
Wine adds the Windows API to Linux via black box reverse engineering, hence, any applications you install under Wine are effectively natively installed under Linux. No different from using Compatibility Mode in Windows or additional software adding support for new file formats which was my point. It's a separate application to the OS/Distro that adds new APIs, etc to Linux that help with the Windows API support, just like how Office is a separate application to Windows that adds support for .docx, .ppt, .pptx, .xls, etc. If Linux running a program flawlessly (I can understand it not counting even if it runs fine after tweaking the wine profile, etc) using a third party/separate program to the OS/Distro isn't native then unless every copy of Windows comes with a copy of Office, the same applies.
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The name Wine initially was an acronym for WINdows Emulator.[4] Its meaning later shifted to the recursive backronym, Wine Is Not an Emulator in order to differentiate the software from other emulators.[5] While the name sometimes appears in the forms WINE and wine, the project developers have agreed to standardize on the form Wine.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)

You started with one argument and then switched it to another. You still can't run office natively on linux.
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Wine adds the Windows API to Linux via black box reverse engineering, hence, any applications you install under Wine are effectively natively installed under Linux.
So it emulates.
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WINE: Wine is not (an) emulator.
wink.gif
Wine adds the Windows API to Linux via black box reverse engineering, hence, any applications you install under Wine are effectively natively installed under Linux. No different from using Compatibility Mode in Windows or additional software adding support for new file formats which was my point. It's a separate application to the OS/Distro that adds new APIs, etc to Linux that help with the Windows API support, just like how Office is a separate application to Windows that adds support for .docx, .ppt, .pptx, .xls, etc. If Linux running a program flawlessly (I can understand it not counting even if it runs fine after tweaking the wine profile, etc) using a third party/separate program to the OS/Distro isn't native then unless every copy of Windows comes with a copy of Office, the same applies.
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The name Wine initially was an acronym for WINdows Emulator.[4] Its meaning later shifted to the recursive backronym, Wine Is Not an Emulator in order to differentiate the software from other emulators.[5] While the name sometimes appears in the forms WINE and wine, the project developers have agreed to standardize on the form Wine.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)

You started with one argument and then switched it to another. You still can't run office natively on linux.
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Wine adds the Windows API to Linux via black box reverse engineering, hence, any applications you install under Wine are effectively natively installed under Linux.
So it emulates.

No... It is not an emulator it adds the windows APIs to linux. That is not emulation.
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To much "Effort" to get everything working. frown.gif shame, I like Ubuntu.
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To much "Effort" to get everything working. frown.gif shame, I like Ubuntu.
To get what working? I'm just curious.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)
You started with one argument and then switched it to another. You still can't run office natively on linux.
So it emulates.

No, it doesn't. It converts it, emulation would be if it pretended it was running the Windows API, whereas you actually (usually) end up using native Windows dlls and running (most) of the Windows API on Linux, hence it runs natively, at least as natively as Windows does. And you're really using Wikipedia over the actual devs?

APIs are not emulators. No matter how you spin it, if someone ports the Linux API/kernel calls, etc to Windows in a kind of reverse Wine development, it won't be emulating Linux in Windows, it'd be letting Linux programs run natively on Windows.
    
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They seriously trying to compare linux to Windows for gaming? I'm pretty sure one of the only ways to game is the use WINE and it's no the prettiest thing but it will work, not perfectly like windows.
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