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They seriously trying to compare linux to Windows for gaming? I'm pretty sure one of the only ways to game is the use WINE and it's no the prettiest thing but it will work, not perfectly like windows.

It entirely depends on the game though, Wine may or may not work and it may work better than Windows (Eg. WoW runs smoother in Linux last time I checked...Which was in 2009 to be fair)
    
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No, it doesn't. It converts it, emulation would be if it pretended it was running the Windows API, whereas you actually (usually) end up using native Windows dlls and running (most) of the Windows API on Linux, hence it runs natively, at least as natively as Windows does. And you're really using Wikipedia over the actual devs?
APIs are not emulators. No matter how you spin it, if someone ports the Linux API/kernel calls, etc to Windows in a kind of reverse Wine development, it won't be emulating Linux in Windows, it'd be letting Linux programs run natively on Windows.

I don't know about that...there are plenty of Linux in Windows applications and they are typically called "Terminal Emulators". They let you use Linux software on a Windows environment.

Console emulators basically work the same way I think. Consoles don't have an API, but their console environment is replicated and treated as one by Windows so that it can use the console's software (the games). It isn't like it is a VM running. Changes made to the windows OS will effect the console emulator.

I think this is just a case of "tomato - tomato". Porting in an API is probably a form of emulation. It is allowing you to run a system as if it were a different kind of system. The developers are probably trying to spin it different, because "porting the API" sounds better than "Emulating". Granted it isn't an emulator like DosBox is, but provides the same end but with different means. Call it whatever you want.
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Has anyone tried using WINE and installing silverlight, and then a browser under WINE, for netflix?
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I think Ubuntu is one of the worst things that has happened to Linux. I mean it's good that they are making it more and more mainstream but it is so sluggish and bloated.

Imagine that someone trys ubuntu and thinks every other linux is like it?
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They seriously trying to compare linux to Windows for gaming? I'm pretty sure one of the only ways to game is the use WINE and it's no the prettiest thing but it will work, not perfectly like windows.

Honestly Linux has just as good of potential for games as Windows. And as stated some games actually do play better in Linux than Windows.
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I think Ubuntu is one of the worst things that has happened to Linux. I mean it's good that they are making it more and more mainstream but it is so sluggish and bloated.
Imagine that someone trys ubuntu and thinks every other linux is like it?

And that's half the problem see'ing as every knows Ubuntu in at least some sense, and everyone `recommends ` Ubuntu to new users.
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Honestly Linux has just as good of potential for games as Windows. And as stated some games actually do play better in Linux than Windows.
And that's half the problem see'ing as every knows Ubuntu in at least some sense, and everyone `recommends ` Ubuntu to new users.

There are some games that were made in Linux that are pretty good too...at least I think. All of them are indie games of course, but you can make a game for linux that do look and run nice with no need for WINE. I really wish this would take off more than it has. You'd think an indie studio would setup their own distro and then sell games for it. It would never be big, but I think it would do alright as long they got the word out and the games were decent.
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Porting in an API is probably a form of emulation. It is allowing you to run a system as if it were a different kind of system. The developers are probably trying to spin it different, because "porting the API" sounds better than "Emulating". Granted it isn't an emulator like DosBox is, but provides the same end but with different means. Call it whatever you want.
What the hell are you smoking?

Nothing about what Wine does is emulation. It's an entirely different software paradigm. How about you slow down your posting and stop speaking nonsense?

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I don't know about that...there are plenty of Linux in Windows applications and they are typically called "Terminal Emulators". They let you use Linux software on a Windows environment.
Console emulators basically work the same way I think. Consoles don't have an API, but their console environment is replicated and treated as one by Windows so that it can use the console's software (the games). It isn't like it is a VM running. Changes made to the windows OS will effect the console emulator.
I think this is just a case of "tomato - tomato". Porting in an API is probably a form of emulation. It is allowing you to run a system as if it were a different kind of system. The developers are probably trying to spin it different, because "porting the API" sounds better than "Emulating". Granted it isn't an emulator like DosBox is, but provides the same end but with different means. Call it whatever you want.

By your logic, installing GIMP on Windows, which installs the GTK, is emulating Linux....

Also, remember, emulation and porting APIs are different. Is Windows emulating console ports since it was developed for the console then ported to Windows???

Emulating requires an emulator (like snes9x) or virtualization (like KVM, VMware, OpenVZ, Xen, VirtualBox, etc.).
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What the hell are you smoking?
Nothing about what Wine does is emulation. It's an entirely different software paradigm. How about you slow down your posting and stop speaking nonsense?
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Definition of emulator

That is what WINE accomplishes. It allows Linux to use data and execute programs that were meant to run on Windows. That is all I was saying.
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I don't know about that...there are plenty of Linux in Windows applications and they are typically called "Terminal Emulators". They let you use Linux software on a Windows environment.
Console emulators basically work the same way I think. Consoles don't have an API, but their console environment is replicated and treated as one by Windows so that it can use the console's software (the games). It isn't like it is a VM running. Changes made to the windows OS will effect the console emulator.
I think this is just a case of "tomato - tomato". Porting in an API is probably a form of emulation. It is allowing you to run a system as if it were a different kind of system. The developers are probably trying to spin it different, because "porting the API" sounds better than "Emulating". Granted it isn't an emulator like DosBox is, but provides the same end but with different means. Call it whatever you want.

Then porting an OS to a new architecture would be classed as emulation, as you'd also port the OS' APIs and running a certain system on a different system.
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Definition of emulator
That is what WINE accomplishes. It allows Linux to use data and execute programs that were meant to run on Windows. That is all I was saying.

System meaning different architectures, not running the same system and porting APIs to make the programs from one run on the other too.
    
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