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post #31 of 86
if these Trinity's are good then well we'll see fast budget builds, of course thats if they fixed the issues with Bulldozer in Piledriver biggrin.gif
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Looks like I am going to build some nice little compact htpc's using the lower tdp chips to sell at the flea market again! With Llano, I had a nice setup with a 47" flat screen and people were amazed at what it was capable of doing. This time im going to bring a wired xbox controller and let them play some bf3 on this sub $500 system. This is some good stuff right here!
    
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You guys realize the 100w TDP is only on multiplier-unlocked parts, right?
And remember, the TDP is the CPU+GPU.
Fully aware..... 65w is still a bit high for a very compact inaudible mITX build.

I'm running a E-350 (18w TDP) and it gets toasty.
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Nice...
On the TDP, I doubt the duals will actually be generating 65W of heat. Probably more of a worst-case scenario kind of thing (unlike in laptop parts where they're barely below the advertised TDP). For example, I remember reading that most 130W i7s only produce around 90W. Considering no decrease coming from Llano, they're probably clocked very high... and that might be a disappointment for some.
There's no reason a company would inflate a TDP though. Higher TDP means less OEM sales.
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The potential I see is about the same as the rest of you, but if the base clock is fairly adjustable this will make for a good series of chips. If what I hear is correct, with llano increasing the clock gives better results because it allows running higher GPU speeds. Paired with faster ram this could be a very potent solution.
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Soo.. A10 is a quad-core, or what?
    
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What's with the intel like named? is the 5800k supposed to make us think it's 2x the processor as the 2500K? I love AMD but this named scheme is kind of obvious stupidly confusing for the lay customer (which I suspect is their intention) Why have a 2500k when you get a 5800k?

I will say the stock clocks are looking good, 3.8 out of the box, I hope it finally trounces the phenom II/thuban series at least.
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Those TDPs look a little high-ish for the lower end models.


TDP seems more a specification/measurement that's labelled on processors to differentiate the choice of stock heatsink.  It is not a total representation of actual power consumption but comes very close.

 

The 100W APU models use a taller version of the AMD stock aluminum heatsink than the 65W versions but that doesn't mean they consume that much power.  Same goes for Intel on LGA1155.  There is a tiny heatsink for the 35W models; then there is a slightly larger sized one for 73W/etc models.  The 95W models (i5/i7) use an even slightly larger model.  New Ivy Bridge LGA1155 models will see a global reduction in TDP ratings because new TDP ratings can be expected to more easily suit power consumption so heatsink size can be again reduced.

 

This is why you don't see processors that often have wide gaps in clock speed difference have same TDP.  i.e. a 2.2Ghz dual core still sports 65W TDP as does the 3Ghz dual core.

 

The heatsinks that the processors come with define the maximum amount of heat and power consumption that can be outputted by this processor safely.  Implementations such as Turbo Core are said to be designed to "not go over the TDP" (i.e. other cores shut down) - not necessarily due to power consumption limits but due to heatsink temperature limits.

 

You can see that only the multiplier-unlocked parts sport the 100W TDP.  That doesn't mean they consume significantly more power.  That does, however, mean that they get a slightly larger stock heatsink that offers bigger TDP flexibility (i.e. overclocking).


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TDP seems more a specification/measurement that's labelled on processors to differentiate the choice of stock heatsink.  It is not a total representation of actual power consumption but comes very close.

The 100W APU models use a taller version of the AMD stock aluminum heatsink than the 65W versions but that doesn't mean they consume that much power.  Same goes for Intel on LGA1155.  There is a tiny heatsink for the 35W models; then there is a slightly larger sized one for 73W/etc models.  The 95W models (i5/i7) use an even slightly larger model.  New Ivy Bridge LGA1155 models will see a global reduction in TDP ratings because new TDP ratings can be expected to more easily suit power consumption so heatsink size can be again reduced.

This is why you don't see processors that often have wide gaps in clock speed difference have same TDP.  i.e. a 2.2Ghz dual core still sports 65W TDP as does the 3Ghz dual core.

The heatsinks that the processors come with define the maximum amount of heat and power consumption that can be outputted by this processor safely.  Implementations such as Turbo Core are said to be designed to "not go over the TDP" (i.e. other cores shut down) - not necessarily due to power consumption limits but due to heatsink temperature limits.

You can see that only the multiplier-unlocked parts sport the 100W TDP.  That doesn't mean they consume significantly more power.  That does, however, mean that they get a slightly larger stock heatsink that offers bigger TDP flexibility (i.e. overclocking).

This is the exact opposite of when an Intel Ivy Bridge ES thread popped up in news a good while ago and you were complaining about a 95W TDP which is now of course 77w even on the high end. You're topsy turbyness and brand loyalty is astonishing. You had no kind of large explanation of TDP's or anything of that nature.
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There is a lot of controversy over whether or not AMD is going to use GCN architecture in Trinity or not. I found this article that confirms that Radeon Cores 2.0 is GCN architecture. If this is true then Trinity will have GCN architecture for the GPU in trinity. A lot of people have argued with me stating that it will use VLIW architecture but I have read many different things from many different sources. Does anyone have any proof on what GPU architecture is being used for Desktop Trinity chips? There reason I think there is so much confusion is that maybe they plan on using GCN on some models of trinity and VLIW on other models.

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/25919-amd-trinity-lineup-detailed
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Donanimhaber.com managed to score more details on AMD's upcoming A10-, A8-, A6- and A4- Trinity APUs that will be a part of the Virgo FM2 platform. The specs don't look to shabby and it appears that Trinity will certainly pack a punch with up to 4.2GHz Boost CPU clock, up to 800MHz GPU clock, up to 384 GCN stream processors and all at reasonable 100W TDP.

The full lineup starts with the flagship A10-5800K Black Edition quad-core APU that features HD 7660D graphics, has 4MB of L2 cache, and works at 3.8GHz base and 4.2GHz boost CPU clock. The GPU part of this APU, named HD 7660D features 384 GCN stream processors (or Radeon Cores 2.0, as AMD calls them now) and works at 800MHz. The A10-5800K is closely followed by non-Black Edition A10-5700 quad-core APU that features the same GPU but has slightly lower clocks for both CPU, 3.4GHz/4.0GHz, and GPU part, set at 760MHz. This one, on the other hand, also has a lower 65W TDP.

The A8- Trinity lineup also has two quad-core models, the A8-5600K and the A8-5500. As you can guess from model names, the A8-5600K is a Black Edition part, while A8-5500 will lack that sticker. Both models feature the same HD 7560D GPU clocked at 760MHz with 256 Radeon Cores 2.0. The A8-5600K is a 100W TDP part with 3.6GHz base and 3.9GHz boost CPU clocks while the A8-5500 will have to settle with 3.2GHz and 3.7GHz CPU clock.

The lonely A6-5400K and A4-5300 dual-core Trinity parts will both feature 1MB of L2 cache and the same 65W TDP. The A6-5400K Black Edition packs HD 7540D GPU part with 192 GCN stream processors while the A4-5300 will feature HD 7480D GPU with 128 GCN stream processors. Since dual-core Trinity APUs are scheduled for the Q3 2012, the precise clocks for both GPU and CPU are still unknown.

The A4-5300 is also the only part to support DDR3-1600 memory, while the rest of the lineup will be quite happy with up to DDR3-1866 memory.

Now all we need is to wait for the Q2 of this year in order to see those new Trinity parts in real-world action, but the specs are promising to say the least.

You can check out the Donanimhaber.com story here.



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Let me know what you guys think about the architecture they are going to use in Trinity for the GPU...
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I think it would only make sense to include Piledriver and iGCN together along with a very strong IMC to power iGCN.

If AMD can achieve the supposed 10-15% increase in IPC with Piledriver, the improvements of GCN over VLIW4, and eventually integrate the GPU and CPU to computer together as those other engineers were able to, Intel will have a huge competition and be quite far behind.
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