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I didnt think that cpu performance was that much different between llano and sandy bridge. We are comparing to something like an i3 2100 and A8-3850 right??? Considering the price...
"i3 2100 vs A8-3850 Benchmarks"

I was actually talking about a quad-core 77W Ivy Bridge. And yeah, the i3 2100 has much closer performance to the 3850.
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Piledriver would need to be clocked at over 5.0ghz to match sandy bridges 3.4 GHz, and that's assuming piledriver is well better than bulldozer since bulldozer needs to be well over 5.5 GHz to match a 3.4 GHz sandy bridge, I've read a review about that were they compare ipc
trinity isn't event meant to compete with the high end i7s that would be left for the later to come piledriver CPU without the integrated graphics
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Piledriver would need to be clocked at over 5.0ghz to match sandy bridges 3.4 GHz, and that's assuming piledriver is well better than bulldozer since bulldozer needs to be well over 5.5 GHz to match a 3.4 GHz sandy bridge, I've read a review about that were they compare ipc
trinity isn't event meant to compete with the high end i7s that would be left for the later to come piledriver CPU without the integrated graphics

AMD all together is not competing with high end Intel chips. This has been established for months now. AMD is no longer competing for powerful cpus anymore. They are just trying to make money.

And high end chips only account for less than 5% of the market so it doesnt hurt them much. The money is in the mobile market which is where AMD has/is headed
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Piledriver would need to be clocked at over 5.0ghz to match sandy bridges 3.4 GHz, and that's assuming piledriver is well better than bulldozer since bulldozer needs to be well over 5.5 GHz to match a 3.4 GHz sandy bridge, I've read a review about that were they compare ipc
trinity isn't event meant to compete with the high end i7s that would be left for the later to come piledriver CPU without the integrated graphics

AMD all together is not competing with high end Intel chips. This has been established for months now. AMD is no longer competing for powerful cpus anymore. They are just trying to make money.

And high end chips only account for less than 5% of the market so it doesnt hurt them much. The money is in the mobile market which is where AMD has/is headed
An A10 with hybrid crossfire sounds like it will be plenty for my needs. Looking forward to it for sure!

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An A10 with hybrid crossfire sounds like it will be plenty for my needs. Looking forward to it for sure!
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Yes it does. I plan on getting the A10-5800K with a Radeon HD 7770 or whatever highest gpu they CF with. Trinity should bring something very nice to the table for AMD in the mainstream market. Trinity is looking very good so far. And I really hope that they use GCN architecture with Trinity too. That would definitely be a plus for AMD and they would get a lot better performance especially with GCN direct compute capabilities...

I hope Trinity is the turning point for AMD. If they can nail this one they should have nice future ahead of them with their HSA plans.
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I might make a mini PC with an ITX motherboard using these APUs. Might serve as a HTPC and as my parent's PC.
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AMD all together is not competing with high end Intel chips. This has been established for months now. AMD is no longer competing for powerful cpus anymore. They are just trying to make money.
And high end chips only account for less than 5% of the market so it doesnt hurt them much. The money is in the mobile market which is where AMD has/is headed

well you need to read between the lines, amd might say they dont wanna compete but that means nothing, aslong as both are in the market they are forced to compete, what amd meant is they dont wanna compete based on intels term or definition of "cpu" and on intel standards.
amd succeeded before in beating intel by creating a new approach to x86-64, and now they are doing something similar with heterogeneous computing, this is the future of amd, and so far they are doing research and came up with 20% increase in performance on llano chips and that is only by doing software and compiling work, so trust me dont think amd gave up, but ur right it is about the money since amd is a company and its all about money and not just performance crown or being superior, amds goal is not to destroy intel, its about making money, that is what its about.

also this is clear in the bulldozer architecture and explains the reason why amd defines "cores" the way they do in the module desktop, its the reason fpu is shared, and integer is not
its the reason the focus is on big and long pipline on the integer to reach higher frequencies, its because gpus onchip will take charge of fpu in the future(which they are darn good at) while the integer cores will do integer work which is what cpus are really good at, both together they can illuminate all weaknesses of cpu and gpu when each is ran separate and build something revolutionary, a total new approach to computing. because building buffer cores will only go so far
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well you need to read between the lines, amd might say they dont wanna compete but that means nothing, aslong as both are in the market they are forced to compete, what amd meant is they dont wanna compete based on intels term or definition of "cpu" and on intel standards.
amd succeeded before in beating intel by creating a new approach to x86-64, and now they are doing something similar with heterogeneous computing, this is the future of amd, and so far they are doing research and came up with 20% increase in performance on llano chips and that is only by doing software and compiling work, so trust me dont think amd gave up, but ur right it is about the money since amd is a company and its all about money and not just performance crown or being superior, amds goal is not to destroy intel, its about making money, that is what its about.
also this is clear in the bulldozer architecture and explains the reason why amd defines "cores" the way they do in the module desktop, its the reason fpu is shared, and integer is not
its the reason the focus is on big and long pipline on the integer to reach higher frequencies, its because gpus onchip will take charge of fpu in the future(which they are darn good at) while the integer cores will do integer work which is what cpus are really good at, both together they can illuminate all weaknesses of cpu and gpu when each is ran separate and build something revolutionary, a total new approach to computing. because building buffer cores will only go so far

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When Trinity shows in it's many variations, then we'll know exactly what is what. thumb.gif
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This is the exact opposite of when an Intel Ivy Bridge ES thread popped up in news a good while ago and you were complaining about a 95W TDP which is now of course 77w even on the high end. You're topsy turbyness and brand loyalty is astonishing. You had no kind of large explanation of TDP's or anything of that nature.

So?  Have you considered that between now and that "while ago", perhaps, I have come up with a reasonable explanation that works to describe the event?

If TDP were simply a measurement of power consumption, it wouldn't have the word "thermal" in it.  TDP is a value that describes heat offset.  Processor companies rate worst-case-scenario heat offset by TDP.  That doesn't mean TDP does not give you at least an idea of chip power consumption, as motherboard manufacturers use rated TDP values to determine processor support as per supply capacity of the VRM setup.


Nevertheless, I had a case in point back then; I'm pretty comfortable with the results of the upcoming final chips - but why at the time, a processor on a new, smaller process node that was supposed to bring power consumption improvements and lowered heat was rated at 95W TDP for a DUAL CORE ES at a low 1.8Ghz and distributed with such heat offset requirements makes absolutely no sense.  It's the kind of thing that would definitely give you a bad outlook on the final product regardless of which brand put out the processor.  I fail to see how that nor this has anything to do with, as you so claim, brand loyalty.  Your feeble attempt to start a conflict here is quite astonishing!  Is this because you have a problem with me, perhaps?


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