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intel burn [extreme,as much ram as possible,20 runs]

 

if it survives that.. 1 hour each of smallFFT/largeFFT/blend in prime95

 

tbh thats my standards for stable..

 

i dont believe in 24 hours of priming imho

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I think the bottom line is: if it works with what I'm using the system for, then that's all that really matters.

My point is that without extensive testing, you often can't tell if it's going to be stable in what your using the system for, until it's not.
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There have also been many occasions where I can prime or occt a system to hell and back, only to find it's not stable in a select game or two.

Which is why relying on any single stress test, or testing only select aspects of a system, is a bad idea.
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Which is why relying on any single stress test, or testing only select aspects of a system, is a bad idea.

I Wasn't trying to say your method is wrong. It's your method. You can choose to do it however you like and which way is most comfortable. For me, I'd rather not spend days testing a system for something that may never been an issue. If a problem arises, I will cross that bridge when I get to it.

Back in the olden days, I had prime and 3dmark. All these other applications, linx, occt, y-cruncher, etc never existed or weren't popular enough to be considered viable. We overclocked the same way, and pushed our systems just as far. Whether they were stable back then is debatable, but it seems, if anything, we've made things more complicated then they need to be.
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^ massively agree with this.

People get to into all the little "rules" for overclocking. If I push my system to its limits and it does what I want it to after, then who are you to call my system "unstable" cause I chose not to use your test?
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People get to into all the little "rules" for overclocking. If I push my system to its limits and it does what I want it to after, then who are you to call my system "unstable" cause I chose not to use your test?

The tests are there to find out Quickly if your stable, nothings worse then the BSOD in the middle of something. Also you might be unstable and not know it of 1 core shuts down.

and IMO you only need to run Prime for about 30 mins to get the answer

Ya, wow theres alot of poeple running prime95 for a while. I've been overclocking for awhile and so far 100% of the time if my PC passes prime95 for more then 30 minutes on blend it's always been stable. I've ran it longer but it never changed the results. To add to that in all my OC's that were not stable, they ALL failed in prime95 within 20 mins, the longest one being just over 19 min and 1 core out of 6 shut down, no BSOD. And all the others failed prime within 5 mnutes. I've never had an oc then lasted longer then 20 mins in prime fail me.

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Simply put, which I think someone said earlier...
Stable is when your system doesn't crash when you are doing what you are doing.

Use what everyone says as a guide... and take it under consideration, and figure out what ends up working best for you.
    
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Simply put, which I think someone said earlier...
Stable is when your system doesn't crash when you are doing what you are doing.
Use what everyone says as a guide... and take it under consideration, and figure out what ends up working best for you.

I have to agree with you,So there's going to be alot of poeple here with different views on the matter, but I always assumed most poeple took what poeple said as a guide and not just done something because someone told them too without proper research,, that would be foolish.

And Makes no difference to me, Everybody has there own way of doing things. Some people like to test some people don't. It's not going to change the way I do things. Like myself I would never run Prime95 Blend for 12 hours on my system, But other people do, and some people dont test there OC's at all. But I always check to see if what I've done to system (Oc wise) was done properly for system perofrmance and possible future damage.

So my best answer to the thread What do you consider a "Stable" Overclock to be? would be what you just said sir, ones system not crashing from doing what they do. You your running a game or whatever for hours and the system doesnt carsh then it must be stable right.
 
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I Wasn't trying to say your method is wrong. It's your method. You can choose to do it however you like and which way is most comfortable. For me, I'd rather not spend days testing a system for something that may never been an issue. If a problem arises, I will cross that bridge when I get to it.

And I'm not telling you how to test your system, I'm just warning you of the potential pitfalls if you aren't going to make sure it's stable.

By the time problems become obvious, much damage could already have been done.
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Back in the olden days, I had prime and 3dmark. All these other applications, linx, occt, y-cruncher, etc never existed or weren't popular enough to be considered viable. We overclocked the same way, and pushed our systems just as far. Whether they were stable back then is debatable, but it seems, if anything, we've made things more complicated then they need to be.

Since when does popularity have anything to do with the viability of something? Many popular tests are garbage, and many virtually unknown ones have merit. Personally, I consider combination testing to be the key to ironing out elusive instabilities, and this less an issue of the specific program as it is making sure multiple subsystems are tested simultaneously.

Need is also relative. If I were just gaming on my system, I probably wouldn't both with much stability testing either, but I am not just gaming on my systems and I do not have this luxury. I work with sensitive data, and even very subtle errors could lead to big problems down the road. So, I do what I think is reasonable to guard against such things. Even for more mundane things, ensuring a minimum level of stability can be important. I don't like having my collection of ebooks, music, or movies slowly degraded. I do not like being forced to reformat systems that should work fine because system files have suffered silent corruption.
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^ massively agree with this.
People get to into all the little "rules" for overclocking. If I push my system to its limits and it does what I want it to after, then who are you to call my system "unstable" cause I chose not to use your test?

There are no rules for overclocking, and I am not even talking about overclocking, I'm talking about stress testing. Plenty of bone stock systems are not stable either, and I extensively stress test any system I intend to use for serious work, regardless if it's ever going to be OCed or not.

Stability isn't something that can be conclusively proven or verified, but it is falsifiable. Anyone with a more strenuous regiment of stress testing could quite reasonably see the stability of a less well tested system as more indeterminate...and they'd be right.

It's quite possible, even likely, that your system is not very stable in relative terms. That said, your argument is that stability doesn't matter, as long as overt problems aren't apparent, so why should you care about any such assessment?
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correct me if im wrong but isnt folding strictly gpu related? if youre going to be rendering a video for 8 hours then by all means prime it away. but you are right it depends on usage.

it's still primarily CPU based actually. some projects are better suited for cpus, some gpus.
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I think the bottom line is: if it works with what I'm using the system for, then that's all that really matters.
There have also been many occasions where I can prime or occt a system to hell and back, only to find it's not stable in a select game or two.

That's why it's always good to test at a full load, your intended use, and then light loads/idle; even then with overclocking the system might still crash, there's always that variable you can't account for, the slight differences between this chip and that chip. I think that is what most are getting caught up on about Prime or IBT being pointless, they see their system crash just running a game or browsing/watching a vid, after running Prime for 40hrs or 200 extreme runs of IBT.

My system 90% of the time is running at full load on both cpu and gpu, either folding or rendering, and its completely stable under a full load 24/7. Can game for hours, but only gets about 20minutes of FF, which for me isn't a problem at all as it's rarely ever running a such a light load.
 
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I stopped caring about prime when I realised it pushed my cpu 15c higher than it would normally go thereby making it less stable to begin with.

10 minutes in prime, a cinebench run, and 2 hours of BF3/Skyrim are all I do now. If it ends up becoming unstable in the days afterwards I'll change it but usually it won't. The only important things I ever do is university essays, and ill eat my own face if Microsoft Word pushes an unstable overclock over the edge laughingsmiley.gif
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