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What I don't understand (and perhaps my assumptions are incorrect) is that Apple seems to be a relatively low-volume customer in the grand scheme of things--with Pegatron only handling a small percentage of their total devices at all. I wonder how things would have turned out if they gave Apple the finger and told them to find someone else to do the job, and stayed loyal to Asus instead.
Three words, economies of scale. Apple is currently the largest and most profitable corporation in the world. If you flip them a finger (knowing how arrogant Apple is as a corporation) you are likely to never win any of their business again and have any business you have with them currently taken away pretty quickly. This is very bad for business in the short and long term when you are a low-margin manufacturer. Manufacturers simply cannot afford this.
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Xenbooks is problem more of an impact as opposed to apples' air. Remember, a ridiculously small amount of market space is Apple laptops/desktops. More of their money goes to windows manufacturers.
I am not sure I understand.

Intel makes more more money from ASUS then Apple. The chip manufacturer that makes it into where Apple makes the most sales is not Intel.
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That right there is one of the core reasons I dislike Apple so much.

They Are shameless in stealing ideas, but when others do it, SUE SUE SUE.

Imagine if ANY other industry leader operated the way Apple did. Big screen TV's, Cars, etc would not be where they're at today.
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Three words, economies of scale. Apple is currently the largest and most profitable corporation in the world. If you flip them a finger (knowing how arrogant Apple is as a corporation) you are likely to never win any of their business again and have any business you have with them currently taken away pretty quickly. This is very bad for business in the short and long term when you are a low-margin manufacturer. Manufacturers simply cannot afford this.

Do you realize that's exactly what they did to Asus? If it's a low-volume customer vs. a higher volume customer, you can absolutely get away with that (hence what they're doing to Asus). All depends on how many other people are lining up to use your services.

My gut instinct is telling me that there's money exchanging hands beyond what was agreed upon in work contracts which affected the decision for Pegatron to dump Asus at the request of Apple.
    
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Do you realize that's exactly what they did to Asus? If it's a low-volume customer vs. a higher volume customer, you can absolutely get away with that (hence what they're doing to Asus). All depends on how many other people are lining up to use your services.
My gut instinct is telling me that there's money exchanging hands beyond what was agreed upon in work contracts which affected the decision for Pegatron to dump Asus at the request of Apple.
While I do not doubt that there are some back-handed deals happening here as well, I do not think that you entirely understand what I am getting at with my reasoning. Pegatron is a low-volume manufacturer for Apple (please do not confuse supplier with manufacturer, they are not the same), but they would like to be a high-volume manufacturer. High-volume = lower cost and much greater profits. It is as simple as that. After all, what manufacturer would not want to be a high-volume supplier to the richest corporation in the world and especially one with as much market penetration as Apple? Simply put, this is likely a strategic move in the hopes of securing much more lucrative manufacturing contracts from Apple going forward vs. risking loosing all business from Apple for the sake of saving a very limited run of Ultrabooks that Asus is likely to produce under their own brand.

Neither Intel nor Asus, nor anyone else will make any fuss about this. It will blow over and that will be the end of it and then Apple will do it again, and again, and again, and every time we will complain, but the consumers will vote largely "in-favour" with their wallets. After all, virtually everyone wants Apple devices.
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If Microsoft were to do this it would a be a federal case, why is apple allowed to?
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Ultrabook proportional requirements(Aug 2011):
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Thin – less than 21 mm (0.8 inch) thickness[8]
Lightweight – less than 1.4 kg (3.1 pounds)[9]

Sony X505 notebook(Jan. 2004)
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Thin - .38" to .8" thickness
Lightweight - 1.73 lbs

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Yep, Apple sure did create this segment. /s
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i think the point isn't that this is some kind of 1:1 example, but that this isn't an exclusively apple thing like many people seem to believe.
there are many double standards on this board, let's not kid ourselves here.
you could write the same thread about apple/asus, intel/amd, cod/bf, etc. and the response would be vastly different. that's just the way it is.
i believe confirmation bias is the term.
skim through that and see if that doesn't sound like any news post about something the OCN hivemind dislikes.
edit: i don't know why the other quote was on there, removed it.

I believe there are 100,000 members on OCN, you're bound to get throngs of people with similar views that express their disdain as they have the right to.

Can you prove that those same Apple detractors would simply overlook similar behavior from another company?
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While I do not doubt that there are some back-handed deals happening here as well, I do not think that you entirely understand what I am getting at with my reasoning. Pegatron is a low-volume manufacturer for Apple (please do not confuse supplier with manufacturer, they are not the same), but they would like to be a high-volume manufacturer. High-volume = lower cost and much greater profits. It is as simple as that. After all, what manufacturer would not want to be a high-volume supplier to the richest corporation in the world and especially one with as much market penetration as Apple? Simply put, this is likely a strategic move in the hopes of securing much more lucrative manufacturing contracts from Apple going forward vs. risking loosing all business from Apple for the sake of saving a very limited run of Ultrabooks that Asus is likely to produce under their own brand.
Neither Intel nor Asus, nor anyone else will make any fuss about this. It will blow over and that will be the end of it and then Apple will do it again, and again, and again, and every time we will complain, but the consumers will vote largely "in-favour" with their wallets. After all, virtually everyone wants Apple devices.

I understand what you're saying, but the assumption for that situation to be true would be that it's Pegatron initiating this because it wants to produce more for Apple while reducing the overall strain on their resources by having to deal with multiple customers. Agreed, it's more efficient for them to have a sole-customer, but that's not what's happened--Apple approached them--the company that's also making a direct-competitor to Apple's ultrabook market--and threatened them. It's not at all an issue of Pegatron making a decision for what makes the most business sense in terms of efficiency of supporting multiple clients, it's Apple making an underhanded action to try to remove a competitor from their ultrabook segment. Totally different scenario from "economies of scale."
    
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Cleaned and reopened.

1. Don't post memes pics in the news section. It is unprofessional and doesn't contribute to the thread.
2. Don't be rude to one another. Please rebut in a respectable manner
3. Please watch the swearing when posting on overclock.net
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Cool that Apple's lookin' out to stop companies from copying one another when it convenes them. lachen.gif
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/steve-jobs-admits-to-shameless-idea-stealingin-1996-2010034/
http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20111021/16380816459/steve-jobs-was-willing-to-rip-off-everyone-else-was-pissed-about-android-copying-iphone.shtml
Jobs was a prick that treated Apple customers like scum (countless nasty e-mail responses to customers, and video below), yet Apple's customer service is for some reason touted to be at some amazing level that is unheard of.

The fact that Jobs took the time to email customers (he even made his personal email address public) means that he's already far above almost every CEO out there.

I watched the video. I can't say I agree with you:

1) A public figure has every right to not sign autographs.
2) He seemed to be joking when he said "go cry about it," evidenced by his mirthful expression.
3) He did end up signing it, and even asked the guy for his name (he wrote a note, not just his name)
4) He told the guy to take care and seemingly patted his arm.

You can hate Apple's tactics all you want for whatever reasons you choose. Personally, what Apple's doing to Pegatron seems highly unethical, maybe even illegal. So yes, you can certainly have reasons to hate on Apple. But bad customer service being one of them? Man, you're living in a dream world.
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The fact that Jobs took the time to email customers (he even made his personal email address public) means that he's already far above almost every CEO out there.
I watched the video. I can't say I agree with you:
1) A public figure has every right to not sign autographs.
2) He seemed to be joking when he said "go cry about it," evidenced by his mirthful expression.
3) He did end up signing it, and even asked the guy for his name (he wrote a note, not just his name)
4) He told the guy to take care and seemingly patted his arm.
You can hate Apple's tactics all you want for whatever reasons you choose. Personally, what Apple's doing to Pegatron seems highly unethical, maybe even illegal. So yes, you can certainly have reasons to hate on Apple. But bad customer service being one of them? Man, you're living in a dream world.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2401214?start=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3621314?start=0&tstart=0

Plus many more.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apple+has+bad+customer+service

Seems to me that even Apple has bad customer service at times.
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