Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [MPC] Apple Forces Pegatron to Drop Asus Ultrabook
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[MPC] Apple Forces Pegatron to Drop Asus Ultrabook - Page 12

post #111 of 210
Do you guys realize Apple could just buy Intel if they wanted to?

Microsoft was the same when they were on top as was IBM and General Motors and General Electric and 3m and every other mega corp in any industry in the world.

That is business, nothing illegal or wrong about it. Unethical maybe, but that is up to the consumers to decide and so far Apple is winning the mind share war.
Goliath
(13 items)
 
fBSD
(10 items)
 
pfSense Box
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770 Gigabyte z87x-ud3h Intel HD4600 G.Skill Ripjaws X 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Crucial M500 Pioneer Blu-ray Burner Swiftech Polaris Linux Mint 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Korean 1440p WASD 104 key v2 - mx Blue switches Corsair HX-650 v2 Lian Li pc-a05n 
Mouse
Logitech G600 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2700k Asus z68 Deluxe Gen 3 Gt 610 8 Gb Samsung Magic Memory 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSPower
WD Green WD Green FreeBSD 10 OCZ ModXtreme Pro 500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Celeron G1620 Asus z68 Deluxe 9500 GT Corsair Value Ram 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
OCZ Agility SSD pfSense / FreeBSD SSH via LAN Antec 520w Gamer 
OtherOtherOther
Intel PCIe Dual Gigabit LAN card. D-Link Gigabit 8 port Switch Apple Airport Extreme N - for wireless access. 
  hide details  
Reply
Goliath
(13 items)
 
fBSD
(10 items)
 
pfSense Box
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770 Gigabyte z87x-ud3h Intel HD4600 G.Skill Ripjaws X 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Crucial M500 Pioneer Blu-ray Burner Swiftech Polaris Linux Mint 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Korean 1440p WASD 104 key v2 - mx Blue switches Corsair HX-650 v2 Lian Li pc-a05n 
Mouse
Logitech G600 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2700k Asus z68 Deluxe Gen 3 Gt 610 8 Gb Samsung Magic Memory 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSPower
WD Green WD Green FreeBSD 10 OCZ ModXtreme Pro 500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Celeron G1620 Asus z68 Deluxe 9500 GT Corsair Value Ram 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
OCZ Agility SSD pfSense / FreeBSD SSH via LAN Antec 520w Gamer 
OtherOtherOther
Intel PCIe Dual Gigabit LAN card. D-Link Gigabit 8 port Switch Apple Airport Extreme N - for wireless access. 
  hide details  
Reply
post #112 of 210
So, with AMD's increased interest in Apple and as a possible supplier, does this mean that there's a chance that Apple creating a problem for Intel here might cause a shift in suppliers?
The Fortress
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 930 @ 4.0 GHz 1.28V Gigabyte X58A-UD3R Sapphire Radeon HD 5850 1GB 850MHz Core, 4800MH... Kingston 6GB 1528MHz 7-7-7-20-1T 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD Caviar Black 1TB LG WH10LS30 10X Blu-ray Burner CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer X233Hbd 23" 1080p Logitech Illuminated Keyboard BFG GS-650 Silverstone FT01 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Naga Molten Edition Cloth Pad Philips 2.1 
  hide details  
Reply
The Fortress
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 930 @ 4.0 GHz 1.28V Gigabyte X58A-UD3R Sapphire Radeon HD 5850 1GB 850MHz Core, 4800MH... Kingston 6GB 1528MHz 7-7-7-20-1T 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD Caviar Black 1TB LG WH10LS30 10X Blu-ray Burner CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer X233Hbd 23" 1080p Logitech Illuminated Keyboard BFG GS-650 Silverstone FT01 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Naga Molten Edition Cloth Pad Philips 2.1 
  hide details  
Reply
post #113 of 210
I wish for intel to completely cut off their supply chain to apple. That would certainly make things interesting
Serenity
(15 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom X4 B55 @3.7 Biostar A880G+ XFX HD 5770 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series DDR3 1333 (4gb) 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
W.D Caviar green 1tb Coolermaster Hyper 101 Windows 7 Ultimate x64 OCZ 500W Modstream 
Case
NZXT Gamma 
  hide details  
Reply
Serenity
(15 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom X4 B55 @3.7 Biostar A880G+ XFX HD 5770 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series DDR3 1333 (4gb) 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
W.D Caviar green 1tb Coolermaster Hyper 101 Windows 7 Ultimate x64 OCZ 500W Modstream 
Case
NZXT Gamma 
  hide details  
Reply
post #114 of 210
Holy CRAP! Wow, Apple has stooped down to new lows. I didn't even think that was possible. I eagerly await to see the retaliation, if anybody DOES retaliate, that is. rolleyes.gif
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4790K MSI Z97M GAMING EVGA GeForce GTX 980TI Superclocked+ ACX 2.0+ Mushkin Blackline 16 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial M550 M.2 SSD Western Digital Caviar Black Hitachi Ultrastar Crucial MX200 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair H80i Windows 10 Professional Dell Ultrasharp U2412M Corsair K70 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX760 Silverstone Sugo SG-10 Logitech G602 Steelseries gaming mousepad 
AudioAudio
Creative SoundBlaster Z Creative Aurvana Live! 2 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i3 2105 ASRock Z68M/USB3 EVGA GeForce GTX 760 CORSAIR Vengeance 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
Crucial M4 ASUS DVD burner Windows 7 Logitech K750 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 SILVERSTONE Sugo SG01-BF Logitech Performance MX ASUS XONAR_DG 
Other
Rosewill RNX-N150PCe 
  hide details  
Reply
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4790K MSI Z97M GAMING EVGA GeForce GTX 980TI Superclocked+ ACX 2.0+ Mushkin Blackline 16 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial M550 M.2 SSD Western Digital Caviar Black Hitachi Ultrastar Crucial MX200 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair H80i Windows 10 Professional Dell Ultrasharp U2412M Corsair K70 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX760 Silverstone Sugo SG-10 Logitech G602 Steelseries gaming mousepad 
AudioAudio
Creative SoundBlaster Z Creative Aurvana Live! 2 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i3 2105 ASRock Z68M/USB3 EVGA GeForce GTX 760 CORSAIR Vengeance 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
Crucial M4 ASUS DVD burner Windows 7 Logitech K750 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 SILVERSTONE Sugo SG01-BF Logitech Performance MX ASUS XONAR_DG 
Other
Rosewill RNX-N150PCe 
  hide details  
Reply
post #115 of 210
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsa700 View Post

Do you guys realize Apple could just buy Intel if they wanted to?
Microsoft was the same when they were on top as was IBM and General Motors and General Electric and 3m and every other mega corp in any industry in the world.
That is business, nothing illegal or wrong about it. Unethical maybe, but that is up to the consumers to decide and so far Apple is winning the mind share war.

Just because Apple's market value is ~$500 billion doesn't mean they can just buy Intel outright. Their stocks are valued at $500 billion, that doesn't mean they have $500 billion in cash laying around.
Foldatron
(17 items)
 
Mat
(10 items)
 
Work iMac
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 950 EVGA x58 3-way SLI EVGA GTX 660ti GTX 275 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3x2GB Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 80GB Intel X25-M SSD 2TB WD Black 150GB WD Raptor 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2x 150GB WD V-raptor in RAID0 Win7 Home 64-bit OEM 55" LED 120hz 1080p Vizio MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 
PowerCase
750W PC P&C Silencer CoolerMaster 690 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5 2500S AMD 6770M 8GB (2x4GB) at 1333Mhz 1TB, 7200 rpm 
Optical DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
LG 8X Dual-Layer "SuperDrive" OS X Lion 27" iMac screen Mac wireless keyboard 
Mouse
Mac wireless mouse 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i7-2600K AMD 6970M 1GB 16GB PC3-10600 DDR3 1TB 7200rpm 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
256GB SSD 8x DL "SuperDrive" OS X 10.7 Lion 27" 2560x1440 iMac display 
Monitor
27" Apple thunderbolt display 
  hide details  
Reply
Foldatron
(17 items)
 
Mat
(10 items)
 
Work iMac
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 950 EVGA x58 3-way SLI EVGA GTX 660ti GTX 275 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3x2GB Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 80GB Intel X25-M SSD 2TB WD Black 150GB WD Raptor 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2x 150GB WD V-raptor in RAID0 Win7 Home 64-bit OEM 55" LED 120hz 1080p Vizio MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 
PowerCase
750W PC P&C Silencer CoolerMaster 690 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5 2500S AMD 6770M 8GB (2x4GB) at 1333Mhz 1TB, 7200 rpm 
Optical DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
LG 8X Dual-Layer "SuperDrive" OS X Lion 27" iMac screen Mac wireless keyboard 
Mouse
Mac wireless mouse 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i7-2600K AMD 6970M 1GB 16GB PC3-10600 DDR3 1TB 7200rpm 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
256GB SSD 8x DL "SuperDrive" OS X 10.7 Lion 27" 2560x1440 iMac display 
Monitor
27" Apple thunderbolt display 
  hide details  
Reply
post #116 of 210
Quote:
Originally Posted by guyladouche View Post

I understand what you're saying, but the assumption for that situation to be true would be that it's Pegatron initiating this because it wants to produce more for Apple while reducing the overall strain on their resources by having to deal with multiple customers. Agreed, it's more efficient for them to have a sole-customer, but that's not what's happened--Apple approached them--the company that's also making a direct-competitor to Apple's ultrabook market--and threatened them. It's not at all an issue of Pegatron making a decision for what makes the most business sense in terms of efficiency of supporting multiple clients, it's Apple making an underhanded action to try to remove a competitor from their ultrabook segment. Totally different scenario from "economies of scale."
You are thinking to linearly. Think outside of the box and re-read my premise and argument again. The premise that I am making is that Pegatron's decision is still based on economies of scale, or maybe I should say the idea of economies of scale. The argument that I am making is that it is foresight that is driving them to conform to Apple's request. They want to have have a chance of becoming a large-scale manufacturer for Apple and as such are cornered into making the only logical decision, drop (limited) run of Ultrabooks and appease Apple. There are no "threats" in that sense at play here. Apple cannot threaten Pegatron or coerce them into ceding anything unless such a "threat" is framed as a business proposition which logically makes sense and could result in more profits for Pegatron. The potential of becoming a major manufacturer for the richest corporation in the world is not something that any manufacturer would shrug off or let their loyalties get in the way.
Etch-a-Sketch
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3930K Gigabyte GA-X79S-UP5 2x MSI R5850 OC 1.350V/1060/1260 in CrossFireX 64GB Corsair Dominator 1866MHz, 9-10-9-27-180-1T 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorKeyboard
2x Corsair Force 120GB GT SSD in RAID-0, 2x WD ... EK Supreme HF (EN), HW Labs BI GTX480, HW Labs ... Samsung S27A850 Logitech G19 Gaming Keyboard 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair Professional Series Gold CMPSU-1200AX Antec 1200 Gamer Case, Custom Full-window Side ... Logitech G9 Laser Mouse Auzentech X-Fi Forte 
Other
Bigfoot Networks Killer Xeno Pro 
  hide details  
Reply
Etch-a-Sketch
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3930K Gigabyte GA-X79S-UP5 2x MSI R5850 OC 1.350V/1060/1260 in CrossFireX 64GB Corsair Dominator 1866MHz, 9-10-9-27-180-1T 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorKeyboard
2x Corsair Force 120GB GT SSD in RAID-0, 2x WD ... EK Supreme HF (EN), HW Labs BI GTX480, HW Labs ... Samsung S27A850 Logitech G19 Gaming Keyboard 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair Professional Series Gold CMPSU-1200AX Antec 1200 Gamer Case, Custom Full-window Side ... Logitech G9 Laser Mouse Auzentech X-Fi Forte 
Other
Bigfoot Networks Killer Xeno Pro 
  hide details  
Reply
post #117 of 210
Quote:
Originally Posted by lordikon View Post

Just because Apple's market value is ~$500 billion doesn't mean they can just buy Intel outright. Their stocks are valued at $500 billion, that doesn't mean they have $500 billion in cash laying around.

Apple now has $97.6 billion cash on hand. ( Source )

Intels total market value is around 136 Billion.

It's close enough, Intel won't be cutting them off anytime soon.
Goliath
(13 items)
 
fBSD
(10 items)
 
pfSense Box
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770 Gigabyte z87x-ud3h Intel HD4600 G.Skill Ripjaws X 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Crucial M500 Pioneer Blu-ray Burner Swiftech Polaris Linux Mint 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Korean 1440p WASD 104 key v2 - mx Blue switches Corsair HX-650 v2 Lian Li pc-a05n 
Mouse
Logitech G600 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2700k Asus z68 Deluxe Gen 3 Gt 610 8 Gb Samsung Magic Memory 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSPower
WD Green WD Green FreeBSD 10 OCZ ModXtreme Pro 500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Celeron G1620 Asus z68 Deluxe 9500 GT Corsair Value Ram 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
OCZ Agility SSD pfSense / FreeBSD SSH via LAN Antec 520w Gamer 
OtherOtherOther
Intel PCIe Dual Gigabit LAN card. D-Link Gigabit 8 port Switch Apple Airport Extreme N - for wireless access. 
  hide details  
Reply
Goliath
(13 items)
 
fBSD
(10 items)
 
pfSense Box
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770 Gigabyte z87x-ud3h Intel HD4600 G.Skill Ripjaws X 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Crucial M500 Pioneer Blu-ray Burner Swiftech Polaris Linux Mint 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Korean 1440p WASD 104 key v2 - mx Blue switches Corsair HX-650 v2 Lian Li pc-a05n 
Mouse
Logitech G600 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2700k Asus z68 Deluxe Gen 3 Gt 610 8 Gb Samsung Magic Memory 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSPower
WD Green WD Green FreeBSD 10 OCZ ModXtreme Pro 500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Celeron G1620 Asus z68 Deluxe 9500 GT Corsair Value Ram 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
OCZ Agility SSD pfSense / FreeBSD SSH via LAN Antec 520w Gamer 
OtherOtherOther
Intel PCIe Dual Gigabit LAN card. D-Link Gigabit 8 port Switch Apple Airport Extreme N - for wireless access. 
  hide details  
Reply
post #118 of 210
I love how in the grand scheme of things Asus and Intel with their Ultrabook were not really a big threat to the Macbooks yet they take them out anyway. Attacking phones and tablets sure...attacking Asus products...no just no. mad.gif Especially since I wanted one of those bloody Asus Ultrabooks
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500K [Asus] P8P67 Pro [EVGA] 1050 Ti [Crucial] Ballistix Tactical 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
[Crucial] M4 128gb [WD] Cavier Black [Noctua] NH-D14 Windows 7 Home Premium 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
[Asus] VG236 23 inch 120 Hz [HP]w2007 (Offset) [Logitech] G15 [Corsair] HX 750 
CaseMouseAudio
[Silverstone] RV02 [Logitech] G5 [Superlux] HD668B 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500K [Asus] P8P67 Pro [EVGA] 1050 Ti [Crucial] Ballistix Tactical 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
[Crucial] M4 128gb [WD] Cavier Black [Noctua] NH-D14 Windows 7 Home Premium 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
[Asus] VG236 23 inch 120 Hz [HP]w2007 (Offset) [Logitech] G15 [Corsair] HX 750 
CaseMouseAudio
[Silverstone] RV02 [Logitech] G5 [Superlux] HD668B 
  hide details  
Reply
post #119 of 210
Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh View Post

You are thinking to linearly. Think outside of the box and re-read my premise and argument again. The premise that I am making is that Pegatron's decision is still based on economies of scale, or maybe I should say the idea of economies of scale. The argument that I am making is that it is foresight that is driving them to conform to Apple's request. They want to have have a chance of becoming a large-scale manufacturer for Apple and as such are cornered into making the only logical decision, drop (limited) run of Ultrabooks and appease Apple. There are no "threats" in that sense at play here. Apple cannot threaten Pegatron or coerce them into ceding anything unless such a "threat" is framed as a business proposition which logically makes sense and could result in more profits for Pegatron. The potential of becoming a major manufacturer for the richest corporation in the world is not something that any manufacturer would shrug off or let their loyalties get in the way.

If Pegatron's decision was based on economies of scale, then they would not have supported other clients vs. Apple for such a long time--they have been a long-time smaller-scale manufacturer for Apple for a while. Nothing changed in the situation except them beginning to manufacture a competing product against one of Apple's. That's the situation. It's not a very difficult thing to figure out. Do you honestly think that Pegatron suddenly realized that it's more practical to support one entity vs. many? No. This is because Apple came to them and said "you need to stop or we're taking our business elsewhere" and they probably handed down a reasonable sum of money to offset the loss that Pegatron incurs in terminating a contract prematurely. This isn't about the potential of being a major manufacturer for the largest business in the world--Apple isn't asking them to be an exclusive partner, or to sever ties with any of the other companies that Pegatron is manufacturing for--only the one that brings direct competition to Apple's Ultrabooks.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K Biostar TP67B+ XFX HD5750 1GB 2x4GB DDR3 Corsair 1600 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
60GB OCZ SSD, 2x160GB HDD RAID0, 500GB+500GB+1.5TB Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Samsung SyncMaster 930B Antec SmartPower 450w 
Case
Antec 900 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K Biostar TP67B+ XFX HD5750 1GB 2x4GB DDR3 Corsair 1600 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
60GB OCZ SSD, 2x160GB HDD RAID0, 500GB+500GB+1.5TB Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Samsung SyncMaster 930B Antec SmartPower 450w 
Case
Antec 900 
  hide details  
Reply
post #120 of 210
Ehhhhh and that is why I will never buy an another Apple product, or recommend them to other people.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 4ghz 1.25v Evga Classified E760/E762 Evga Gtx 480 + Galaxy GTX 480 SLI 6GB Corsair Dominator GT 1600mhz 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Crucial C300 256Gb, Samsung 7200rpm 320gb, 2x W... Windows 7 64-bit Home premium Dell U2410 1920x1200 Wireless Logitech 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Quatro 1200w Corsair 800D Razer Death Adder Office Depot thingy 
AudioAudio
Asus Xonar STX Sennheiser HD555's 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 4ghz 1.25v Evga Classified E760/E762 Evga Gtx 480 + Galaxy GTX 480 SLI 6GB Corsair Dominator GT 1600mhz 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Crucial C300 256Gb, Samsung 7200rpm 320gb, 2x W... Windows 7 64-bit Home premium Dell U2410 1920x1200 Wireless Logitech 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Quatro 1200w Corsair 800D Razer Death Adder Office Depot thingy 
AudioAudio
Asus Xonar STX Sennheiser HD555's 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Hardware News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [MPC] Apple Forces Pegatron to Drop Asus Ultrabook