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HAHAHA Intel is going to wreck Apple lol
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All the people saying Intel are going to screw over Apple.. You so silly. Intel cannot really do anything.
Apple would most likely spend more than the suggested $300 Million that Intel spent on the Ultrabooks on Intel CPUS
Apple is continuousness money flow for Intel
They won't throw it away for something like this.
Its not worth it to even try.

Just get over it. APPLE IS BAD WE GET IT ALREADY.
Grovelling about it on a Forum isn't going to do anything.
Yes its bad, we all know. And everyone seems to think when Apple does something wrong its the perfect time to remind everyone how BAD Apple is.

Jeez.
Everyone abuses power. In one way or another.
Apple did it do get to the top. And they will stay there, because of the way they get things done.
Its all about the $$$ in the corporate world.

Also Inb4"Hes an Apple Lover"
Edited by MountainDewMadOScar - 2/15/12 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by MountainDewMadOScar View Post

All the people saying Intel are going to screw over Apple.. You so silly. Intel cannot really do anything.
Apple would most likely spend more than the suggested $300 Million that Intel spent on the Ultrabooks on Intel CPUS
Apple is continuousness money flow for Intel
They won't throw it away for something like this.
Its not worth it to even try.
Just get over it. APPLE IS BAD WE GET IT ALREADY.
Grovelling about it on a Forum isn't going to do anything.
Yes its bad, we all know. And everyone seems to think when Apple does something wrong its the perfect time to remind everyone how BAD Apple is.
Jeez.
Everyone abuses power. In one way or another.
Apple did it do get to the top. And they will stay there, because of the way they get things done.
Its all about the $$$ in the corporate world.
Also Inb4"Hes an Apple Lover"

This. I read a few comments that went something like "Intel makes Apples CPUs.. I wonder what Intel will do?"

I can tell you what Intel will do.. Keep selling Apple CPUs.

I can also tell you what Intel isn't going to do.. Cut the money flow that is Apple.

If you don't understand then you should never start a business.

I'd rather buy an ASUS Ultrabook.. but I bet the Apple equivalent combined with everything else of theirs supporting an Intel CPU sells more.
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Apple are who they are today because of the ideas they stole from IBM. And let's be real here, how many different ways can you build a freakin laptop man?, c'mon son! It's the same with the tablets and smartphones. In the past couple-three years I've watched tech companies make more money off of patents than some of their own products and services. The dipsticks at the patent office must be covered in lint because they sure as hell are in-pocket.mad.gif
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In all respect ASUS did copy the Mac Book Air and they even copied the Ipad < both too a certain extent. But, what Apple just did is out right wrong, but that is business as usual!
Apple had no choice; the ASUS Zenbook is the Mac Book Air killer. None of my local stores can keep the ASUS Zenbooks in stock. The ASUS Zenbooks usually sells out in the first 2 too 3 days when they come in. Some of the online retailers (Ones with actually store fronts) got overwhelmed by pre-orders (back orders) and had to put not available up.
Apple most-likely will go after the ASUS Transformer Prime to, because they will see it as the iPad killer. It took me almost a week to get one. And I only got one because I got lucky (Went into the store the day they came in and by that night they were sold-out, but I got one). The ASUS Transformer Prime is hot right now; they’re selling out the same day. In-fact, demand is so high in my area for the ASUS Transformer Prime that some stores even sold the display models. I even thought about buying the 64G iPad before I got the Prime, but no Adobe Flash support and too many limitations.
Back to the Zenbook. The ASUS Zenbook is far superior to Apple’s Mac Book Air. The Zenbook is way better built and offers equal or better components at a better price.
Apple really only has the iPhone left. The iPhone is nice, but it’s becoming dated. People like new things and Apple really hasn’t evolved much in the last few years.
Ultimate thing people have to understand is; Apple computers are PCs. PC is short for Personal Computer! The only real difference between Apple and the other guys is the OS! But, wait! I’m running Apple’s OS on my custom built PC (For Testing Reasons). Also, Apple has some of the nicest and sleekest looking laptops and portable devices on the market, but that is coming to an end, as most people can see.
In the end, I would have to give Apple credit, because they did make the Smart Phone, MP3 Player, and Mobile Tablet popular through innovative designs and marketing. But, all things must evolve or cease to exist. The MP3 Player was more of a geek toy, and then Apple came along and changed that! Thank You Apple!

Except this logic does not work at all, look at Microwaves, Kettles, TVs, Cars, Computer Cases, DVD players (I mean the kind for TVs), guitars, etc. Slight redesigns (For example, Fender Stratocaster versus Jackson Soloist) are accepted without people suing the other company or blackmailing them. Seriously, this is the only market where a company is suing other companies for such broad reasons, no-one should be in support of this...When you buy a TV (And you're not an enthusiast) you don't have to worry about looks because nearly all of them are dark grey or black rectangles (For the 16:9 screens) with a badge saying something on the front and inputs on the back. Imagine if I put that in a patent and started suing companies...That's essentially what Apple has done with the iPad.

This time it'd be more inline with someone making a 4 wheeled car after the Benz Patent-Motorwagen (ie. A natural evolution and new market, just like Ultrabooks) and then Karl Benz suing them so we can only get automobiles from him and getting away with it. That'd be great, wouldn't it? Because it's exactly the same as what you're defending right now. If they see someone that can beat their products, legally they should really just you know, try to compete with advertising, etc. I must repeat myself: No-one should defend this, if they love freedom and low-prices.
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you just proved his point. all of what you say makes no difference to joe consumer.
does it work the same way out of the box that it works now?
does it have a clean and intuitive UI?
does it look good and does everyone else have one?
apple made their bones with good looking, simple to use products that have enough features to create a need in a market that didn't have one before they released their products.
and don't confuse ease of use with user stupidity. some people have better things to spend their time on than working on a sub par product to make it functional.

Battery life does make a difference to joe consumer, if you believe otherwise then I'm honestly just going to laugh and not bother replying. Not to mention, choice also matters...Why do you think Android is outselling iOS these days?
As for your points...Yes, yes, yes (In the case of the SGSII, half of my friends group (Of which I am the only really technical one) has SGSIIs after they saw how awesome mine is), please stop assuming all Android devices are as bad in terms of mainstream adoption as the HTC Dream was.

Linux is more prevalent in the server and third world than Windows and WP7 was barely selling anything until the new Nokia came out.

MS used dirty tactics to gain a foothold in the third world...Cool, except Linux will have a massive advantage in that it's free.
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Sure, maybe a bit. Primarily they want to avoid lengthy litigation and lawsuits that (knowing Apple) would surely ensue should the Ultrabook segment actually start seriously encroaching on Apple's market share. Also, they did not tell Asus to stop. They just approached a manufacturer and asked them to stop.

Pegatron is a subsidiary of ASUS, so they effectively did approach ASUS.
    
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With a value nearing $500 billion, I'm not sure Apple would even flinch. From a business perspective I understand this decision, still, that doesn't make it right.

I'm sure Intel shrugged it off, too. You got to figure, they made way more than a billion breaking the law. It was just another cost.
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1) i'm not saying whether he donated or not, but there are reasons why an extremely wealthy guy would give anonymously to charity, a simple one being he doesn't need the recognition that comes with it. if steve jobs gave 75% of his money to a childrens hospital this board would claim it was some kind of ploy to get more apple products in hospitals or exploit dying kids to help apples name and steer people away from foxxcon. as was said in another thread, look at your sig rig before you get on anybody for not donating to charity. "x person doesn't give enough money to charity" is an argument made by people who don't want to see someone with more money than them.
2) Asus will never be as big as apple because apples best selling point, customer service is Asus' worst. Asus is for us, computer savvy people looking for the cheapest price/performance ratio we can get. we represent a fraction of a percent of people who buy computers. the majority of people want something that works, looks good, and can be taken to a store and fixed in a timely fashion. Apple understands what people want, and they've nailed it.
3) if you think people aren't ripping off apple, you're kidding yourself. i understand that apple ripped off other people and someone made something apple made in a garage before they sold it, but apple is a runaway success with the things they put out and the other manufacturers are just trying to create sub level things for people who can't afford apple. i saw apples numbers for airs and it's just silly, i mean the netbook already came and went so how do they sell 1.2 million in a quarter?
4) the looks of apple's products are a part of the selling price. people buy their stuff because it looks the way it does. it's not messy or flashy. i guess elegant is the adjective i'm looking for, so people try to take that and say look, we're selling something that looks like this better thing, you should buy this instead. kind of like those guys that will sell you a "prado" leather purse down an alley.
5) if msi were to release a laptop that had an asus g series design (the stealth bomber one), do you think asus would just let it slide? would there be people talking about a boycott of asus for suing msi for using their design? just checking.
6) apple is worth more than intel and microsoft combined, even though they control a sliver of the PC market. they basically created market segments to make their bones and now that they're a big dog they're bullying competition. let us all cry foul for the poor competition, as we type our flaming responses on PCs run by intel, a company who bribed it's way to market dominance. double standard is the correct word.
7) finally, no one who is flaming apple would buy apple. you're not fooling anyone, you just want to find more things to hate so you can try to throw it in more people's faces that apple sucks. meanwhile they'll continue to make money hand over fist and people on OCN will continue to say ridiculous things like "asus could be as big as apple"

I wonder why people ignored your post...
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Except this logic does not work at all, look at Microwaves, Kettles, TVs, Cars, Computer Cases, DVD players (I mean the kind for TVs), guitars, etc. Slight redesigns (For example, Fender Stratocaster versus Jackson Soloist) are accepted without people suing the other company or blackmailing them. Seriously, this is the only market where a company is suing other companies for such broad reasons, no-one should be in support of this...When you buy a TV (And you're not an enthusiast) you don't have to worry about looks because nearly all of them are dark grey or black rectangles (For the 16:9 screens) with a badge saying something on the front and inputs on the back. Imagine if I put that in a patent and started suing companies...That's essentially what Apple has done with the iPad.
This time it'd be more inline with someone making a 4 wheeled car after the Benz Patent-Motorwagen (ie. A natural evolution and new market, just like Ultrabooks) and then Karl Benz suing them so we can only get automobiles from him and getting away with it. That'd be great, wouldn't it? Because it's exactly the same as what you're defending right now. If they see someone that can beat their products, legally they should really just you know, try to compete with advertising, etc. I must repeat myself: No-one should defend this, if they love freedom and low-prices.

This. Everyone please read this post twice. Anyone defending Apple for this crap deserves the high prices and lack of competition they'll be getting soon.
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Hmmm blackmailing, patent trolling, suing failing companies to take advantage of them, inhumane treatment, and overpriced hardware. And still people herald Steve Jobs and Apple as a innovative and industry changing company.
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Except this logic does not work at all, look at Microwaves, Kettles, TVs, Cars, Computer Cases, DVD players (I mean the kind for TVs), guitars, etc. Slight redesigns (For example, Fender Stratocaster versus Jackson Soloist) are accepted without people suing the other company or blackmailing them. Seriously, this is the only market where a company is suing other companies for such broad reasons, no-one should be in support of this...When you buy a TV (And you're not an enthusiast) you don't have to worry about looks because nearly all of them are dark grey or black rectangles (For the 16:9 screens) with a badge saying something on the front and inputs on the back. Imagine if I put that in a patent and started suing companies...That's essentially what Apple has done with the iPad.
This time it'd be more inline with someone making a 4 wheeled car after the Benz Patent-Motorwagen (ie. A natural evolution and new market, just like Ultrabooks) and then Karl Benz suing them so we can only get automobiles from him and getting away with it. That'd be great, wouldn't it? Because it's exactly the same as what you're defending right now. If they see someone that can beat their products, legally they should really just you know, try to compete with advertising, etc. I must repeat myself: No-one should defend this, if they love freedom and low-prices.

Thank you for articulating better what I could not earlier. smile.gif

And please do carefully read this person's post if you haven't already, YOU can make a difference, you the consumer are what makes and breaks the success of firms.

This isn't about Apple vs Other Companies, or Apple supports vs non-supporters, it's about the threat of monopoly in the laptop and tablet market, which if history has demonstrated will lead to slowed innovation of the products and increased prices, making this even worse is the backward linkage present, if the innovation for laptops and tablets slows, arguably the entire micro-processing market could be negatively affected as well, since the primary demand for processors is shifting more towards portable devices as opposed to desktops.
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