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Why should Intel care much? Either way it's Intel's chips that are in the laptops. Seeing as sales of Apple laptops are dominating Ultrabooks and most other laptops, Intel is probably selling more.

That said, that is just despicable that Apple would leverage their dominant position like that. Surely they can't all bow down to Apple. I wonder why Asus isn't jumping on the lawsuit bandwagon and file a lawsuit against Apple.

I'd love to see what happens if a bunch of OEMs band together to deny crucial components to Apple and cripple their supply.

Edit: Just a thought. Not trying to give credit to Apple at all but I wonder if the facts may have been stretched a bit. It's easy to look at the situation and say that Apple, using their market dominance, forced Pegatron to halt production of the Zenbook but the possibility exists for Pegatron to stop production of the Zenbook because they wanted to shift all production over to Apple purely for business reasons. Of course I don't have all of the facts, but I just wonder if this might have been taken out of context.
Edited by Cheetos316 - 2/14/12 at 10:54am
    
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Why should Intel care much? Either way it's Intel's chips that are in the laptops. Seeing as sales of Apple laptops are dominating Ultrabooks and most other laptops, Intel is probably selling more.
That said, that is just despicable that Apple would leverage their dominant position like that. Surely they can't all bow down to Apple. I wonder why Asus isn't jumping on the lawsuit bandwagon and file a lawsuit against Apple.
I'd love to see what happens if a bunch of OEMs band together to deny crucial components to Apple and cripple their supply.

Why do people think that this will ever happen? No supplier will cut the supply of anything to Apple. In fact, they will most likely not even increase the prices by a single cent on any of their parts. They will simply bow out and take it up the rear. That's how we roll because at the end of the day whatever maximizes profits for the few key shareholders and/or a handful of executives is considered good business irrespective of it making or not making sense as a long-term strategy. In fact, you have to understand and accept the fact that most of these businesses do not have any sort of long term strategy. That is why they make such a $h1t-show of products and why companies like Apple (who do have a LTS) can push them around so much. Asus (and Intel to a smaller extent) in this case simply had no foresight and did not even consider the implications of competing with Apple.
Edited by dejanh - 2/14/12 at 10:53am
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Why should Intel care much? Either way it's Intel's chips that are in the laptops. Seeing as sales of Apple laptops are dominating Ultrabooks and most other laptops, Intel is probably selling more.
That said, that is just despicable that Apple would leverage their dominant position like that. Surely they can't all bow down to Apple. I wonder why Asus isn't jumping on the lawsuit bandwagon and file a lawsuit against Apple.
I'd love to see what happens if a bunch of OEMs band together to deny crucial components to Apple and cripple their supply.

I guess Apple has no excuse for allowing Foxconn to violate their (Apple's) standards every single year. If they can strong arm one of their suppliers this way they certainly can strong arm the rest...oh wait Apple is interested in keeping their 100-200% profit margins.
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Thank you Apple for doing a great service to us consumers.

Sarcasm or just a dislike of the ultrabook idea?
     
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I dislike Apple as a company. Also, Intel set aside $300 million for the Ultrabook fund, I wonder how this will pan out. The Asus Zenbook is actually thinner than a MacBook air, which is probably why Apple is unsettled. I wish publications would stop crediting Apple for creating a space that Sony created in 2004.
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Intel did this to AMD for over years, but since Intel gives you people the procs you want all wrongdoing is forgiven. Double standard much?

No it isn't a double standard... Intel wasn't fined for harming consumers, they were fined for harming producers(AMD). It was a quasi-monopoly where there is a direct correlation between CPU prices and profit. If Intel simply eliminated AMD, Intel would have to create a new price bracket to cover the brackets that AMD existed in. Since Intel competes nicely with AMD on the low-end, creating such a space wouldn't be necessary anyway.

Purchasers of an i3 2100 wouldn't suddenly buy the same i3 2100 for 2700k-money under a monopoly. That simply means those that would normal buy an i3 for its current low price, wouldn't own said i3 if it were the price of a 2700k. This is detrimental to Intel's profit.

Lower prices, in some cases, means higher profits... Consumers/households determine price, even under a monopoly.

However, I don't condone what Intel has done to AMD. But this thinly vield notion that those that buy Intel processors should feel guilt needs to be dispelled and refuted.
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Good on Apples part, Asus already blatantly copied the Macbook air and they probarbly want to keep their production a secret.

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Why do people think that this will ever happen? No supplier will cut the supply of anything to Apple. In fact, they will most likely not even increase the prices by a single cent on any of their parts. They will simply bow out and take it up the rear. That's how we roll because at the end of the day whatever maximizes profits for the few key shareholders and/or a handful of executives is considered good business irrespective of it making or not making sense as a long-term strategy. In fact, you have to understand and accept the fact that most of these businesses do not have any sort of long term strategy. That is why they make such a $h1t-show of products and why companies like Apple (who do have a LTS) can push them around so much. Asus and Intel in this case simply had no foresight and did not even consider the implications of competing with Apple.

What I don't understand (and perhaps my assumptions are incorrect) is that Apple seems to be a relatively low-volume customer in the grand scheme of things--with Pegatron only handling a small percentage of their total devices at all. I wonder how things would have turned out if they gave Apple the finger and told them to find someone else to do the job, and stayed loyal to Asus instead.
    
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Why should Intel care much? Either way it's Intel's chips that are in the laptops. Seeing as sales of Apple laptops are dominating Ultrabooks and most other laptops, Intel is probably selling more.
That said, that is just despicable that Apple would leverage their dominant position like that. Surely they can't all bow down to Apple. I wonder why Asus isn't jumping on the lawsuit bandwagon and file a lawsuit against Apple.
I'd love to see what happens if a bunch of OEMs band together to deny crucial components to Apple and cripple their supply.

Why do people think that this will ever happen? No supplier will cut the supply of anything to Apple. In fact, they will most likely not even increase the prices by a single cent on any of their parts. They will simply bow out and take it up the rear. That's how we roll because at the end of the day whatever maximizes profits for the few key shareholders and/or a handful of executives is considered good business irrespective of it making or not making sense as a long-term strategy. In fact, you have to understand and accept the fact that most of these businesses do not have any sort of long term strategy. That is why they make such a $h1t-show of products and why companies like Apple (who do have a LTS) can push them around so much. Asus (and Intel to a smaller extent) in this case simply had no foresight and did not even consider the implications of competing with Apple.

Xenbooks is problem more of an impact as opposed to apples' air. Remember, a ridiculously small amount of market space is Apple laptops/desktops. More of their money goes to windows manufacturers.
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I dislike Apple as a company. Also, Intel set aside $300 million for the Ultrabook fund, I wonder how this will pan out. The Asus Zenbook is actually thinner than a MacBook air, which is probably why Apple is unsettled. I wish publications would stop crediting Apple for creating a space that Sony created in 2004.
No it isn't a double standard... Intel wasn't fined for harming consumers, they were fined for harming producers(AMD). It was a quasi-monopoly where there is a direct correlation between CPU prices and profit. If Intel simply eliminated AMD, Intel would have to create a new price bracket to cover the brackets that AMD existed in. Since Intel competes nicely with AMD on the low-end, creating such a space wouldn't be necessary anyway.
Purchasers of an i3 2100 wouldn't suddenly buy the same i3 2100 for 2700k-money under a monopoly. That simply means those that would normal buy an i3 for its current low price, wouldn't own said i3 if it were the price of a 2700k. This is detrimental to Intel's profit.
Lower prices, in some cases, means higher profits... Consumers/households determine price, even under a monopoly.
However, I don't condone what Intel has done to AMD. But this thinly vield notion that those that buy Intel processors should feel guilt needs to be dispelled and refuted.

i think the point isn't that this is some kind of 1:1 example, but that this isn't an exclusively apple thing like many people seem to believe.

there are many double standards on this board, let's not kid ourselves here.

you could write the same thread about apple/asus, intel/amd, cod/bf, etc. and the response would be vastly different. that's just the way it is.

i believe confirmation bias is the term.

skim through that and see if that doesn't sound like any news post about something the OCN hivemind dislikes.

edit: i don't know why the other quote was on there, removed it.
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What I don't understand (and perhaps my assumptions are incorrect) is that Apple seems to be a relatively low-volume customer in the grand scheme of things--with Pegatron only handling a small percentage of their total devices at all. I wonder how things would have turned out if they gave Apple the finger and told them to find someone else to do the job, and stayed loyal to Asus instead.
Three words, economies of scale. Apple is currently the largest and most profitable corporation in the world. If you flip them a finger (knowing how arrogant Apple is as a corporation) you are likely to never win any of their business again and have any business you have with them currently taken away pretty quickly. This is very bad for business in the short and long term when you are a low-margin manufacturer. Manufacturers simply cannot afford this.
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Xenbooks is problem more of an impact as opposed to apples' air. Remember, a ridiculously small amount of market space is Apple laptops/desktops. More of their money goes to windows manufacturers.
I am not sure I understand.
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Good on Apples part, Asus already blatantly copied the Macbook air and they probarbly want to keep their production a secret.

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Cool that Apple's lookin' out to stop companies from copying one another when it convenes them. lachen.gif

http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/steve-jobs-admits-to-shameless-idea-stealingin-1996-2010034/

http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20111021/16380816459/steve-jobs-was-willing-to-rip-off-everyone-else-was-pissed-about-android-copying-iphone.shtml

Jobs was a prick that treated Apple customers like scum (countless nasty e-mail responses to customers, and video below), yet Apple's customer service is for some reason touted to be at some amazing level that is unheard of.
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