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Well, good news is that now my budget seems to be 500 bucks. I'm not upgrading this current computer because it's complete crap now and only supports two processors (Two very old Athlons). But your post really does put things into perspective. My processor is so old I can't even properly view a Silverlight video.
Since my budget is 500 bucks, I'm seriously considering just getting a prebuilt Cyberpower PC, though they seem to have rather low service reviews from what I've seen on PCWorld, not sure how true that is. While I'm also rather sure that I could build something quite nice myself for 500, this would be my first full build and I'm not sure if I should risk the money building a system until I already have a reliable PC to fall back on, if that makes any sense.
I know prebuilt things are often frowned upon (And I can certainly see why, having seen what a rip off Dell and such are with their prices), but if I go that route, what would be the best recommended?
edit: I have a year old 450w power supply in my current PC, so I probably won't need to buy a new one for a potential build.

Good God don't buy a prebuilt. Youll end up replacing the junky PSU and GPU and living with a mediocre case, and slow HDD. Which is where the prebuilts sacrifice quality so that you pay less.

What is your PSU exactly? In fact post a prebuilt your considering and see if we can do better. wink.gif

Unlocked AMD A8 $130
$70 ASRock A75 mobo
2 of the newest 30nm ram sticks. Best OC'ers around for $48

cx430 $28 after promo and AMIR

$40 NZXT Source 210 and a $130 WD Caviar Black 1TB

$446. Could save money on the ram, and the CPU, and the HDD and even go with an a55 chipset mobo for like $100 less combined.
Edited by LuckySe7ens - 2/15/12 at 11:28am
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Well, from what I've seen, especially from using my current piece of crap PC (It's an Athlon 3000+, in case anyone was wondering, which is crap), one of the primary factors in power needs is resolution. Even with a badass PC in the future, I don't really have intentions of playing at super high resolutions. I can play Mass Effect 1 on this ****ty PC at medium-high settings (Though that is largely due to my graphics card). So I'm thinking that, after seeing what I can get for 500 bucks, I'll most likely be able to play most games at high settings. It's rare that I go over 1000x800 (Not being exact with the numbers, but you know what I mean), because I frequently play in windowed mode due to my single monitor setup. And quite honestly that's more than enough screen space for me (Though I'm sure I'll change my mind once I have a dual monitor setup, that's not the situation currently).

Apparently I do have a Micro Center (I just checked, I live in Philadelphia), I had no idea before. So I'm gonna check that place out and see what I can do as far as parts, or if they have any nice prebuilds. But so far these suggestions have been very helpful, so keep them coming!

edit: My PSU is an Earthwatts. EA-430D. And apparently 430w, I mis-remembered. The prebuild I'm considering is: http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/CyberPower_H67_Configurator/ A configuration of that, to bring it up to about 500 (Though keeping in mind shipping and such). I didn't save the configuration I did before, since there were Valentine's deals and I figured the price would change.
Edited by MagnesV - 2/15/12 at 11:26am
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Well, from what I've seen, especially from using my current piece of crap PC (It's an Athlon 3000+, in case anyone was wondering, which is crap), one of the primary factors in power needs is resolution. Even with a badass PC in the future, I don't really have intentions of playing at super high resolutions. I can play Mass Effect 1 on this ****ty PC at medium-high settings (Though that is largely due to my graphics card). So I'm thinking that, after seeing what I can get for 500 bucks, I'll most likely be able to play most games at high settings. It's rare that I go over 1000x800 (Not being exact with the numbers, but you know what I mean), because I frequently play in windowed mode due to my single monitor setup. And quite honestly that's more than enough screen space for me (Though I'm sure I'll change my mind once I have a dual monitor setup, that's not the situation currently).
Apparently I do have a Micro Center (I just checked, I live in Philadelphia), I had no idea before. So I'm gonna check that place out and see what I can do as far as parts, or if they have any nice prebuilds. But so far these suggestions have been very helpful, so keep them coming!
edit: My PSU is an Earthwatts. EA-430D. And apparently 430w, I mis-remembered. The prebuild I'm considering is: http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/CyberPower_H67_Configurator/ A configuration of that, to bring it up to about 500 (Though keeping in mind shipping and such). I didn't save the configuration I did before, since there were Valentine's deals and I figured the price would change.

Your PSU is more than enough for a rig like your planning. That prebuilt you linked is an i3 2100 h61 system with an unnamed case, slow generic ram, an unnamed 500gb 7200rpm (Thank goodness) HDD, and no graphics card. Both of the builds i linked would be better for less money. The first one you could drop the PSU and save $28(since yours is pretty good), and the graphics card (since your current one may be fine for your needs now) and that would save another ~$75. And the xion predator is available elsewhere if you really like that case.
Edited by LuckySe7ens - 2/15/12 at 12:44pm
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Your PSU is more than enough for a rig like your planning. That prebuilt you linked is an i3 2100 h61 system with an unnamed case, slow generic ram, an unnamed 500gb 7200rpm (Thank goodness) HDD, and no graphics card. Both of the builds i linked would be better for less money. The first one you could drop the PSU and save $28(since yours is pretty good), and the graphics card (since your current one may be fine for your needs now) and that would save another ~$75. And the xion predator is available elsewhere if you really like that case.

Microcenter has some good motherboard bundles on AMD Bulldozer setups: http://www.microcenter.com/specials/promotions/AMDbundlePROMO.html
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Microcenter has some good motherboard bundles on AMD Bulldozer setups: http://www.microcenter.com/specials/promotions/AMDbundlePROMO.html

But even a Pentium G630 is faster, and is much more upgradable. Also Microcenter has the Pentium G620 (just 100MHz slower) for only $50

And obviously Sandy Bridge uses less power than Bulldozer, which means he could get by with his current PSU for longer.

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The first one you could drop the PSU and save $28(since yours is pretty good), and the graphics card (since your current one may be fine for your needs now) and that would save another ~$75.

Heck he could then even channel the $100 saved into a 64GB (or larger) SSD!
Edited by Nintendo Maniac 64 - 2/15/12 at 12:58pm
 
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But even a Pentium G630 is faster, and is much more upgradable. Also Microcenter has the Pentium G620 (just 100MHz slower) for only $50
And obviously Sandy Bridge uses less power than Bulldozer, which means he could get by with his current PSU for longer.
Heck he could then even channel the $100 saved into a 64GB (or larger) SSD!

At stock clocks yes the intel offerings in this price range are a much better choice. He has budget for the i3 @ $100, and I'd say that thats a good upgrade here however.
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At stock clocks yes the intel offerings in this price range are a much better choice.

Seeing how he's coming from an Athlon XP @ 2.1GHz, I REALLY don't think he's going to need to overclock. tongue.gif
 
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Seeing how he's coming from an Athlon XP @ 2.1GHz, I REALLY don't think he's going to need to overclock. tongue.gif

Why not? This is OCN. But yes i see your point.
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post #19 of 48
You can put something pretty good for $500:

i3 2120 + DVD Drive
Asus P8P67 mobo
HIS 6850 + 8GB Ram
NZXT 210
Seagate 500GB HDD
Reuse your Antec power supply.

Total= $508 Shipped

This build will pretty much be able to play most games at high settings @ 1080p. In the future, you can swap out the CPU for a 2500k and overclock it too.

But if you can reuse the HDD and DVD drive from your old build, you can save yourself about $100 more and definitely check out what microcenter has, they have some nice bundle deals.
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I see your point about the Cyberpower PC. What I'm gonna attempt doing at this point is write down all the build suggestions, then head over to Micro Center irl and see what's available there. As far as overclocking goes, I tend to avoid it to get more life out of the parts (And knowing me I'd screw it up anyway). I'm somewhat comfortable building a PC, but overclocking, not so much.

Any precaution suggestions once I'm ready to build? I know I should probably get one of those static electricity wristband things.

edit: And using my current HDD isn't really an option. It has very little space and I need a new one anyway, plus I think it's gradually going through a crash phase (I keep having mysteriously missing space and it's making weird noises). Plus I'm kind of doubting that a newer motherboard would actually have the right ports for these drives. As for my graphics card, as much as I'd love to use it in a newer PC, my Radeon HD 4650 is AGP, so completely useless in another build.
Edited by MagnesV - 2/15/12 at 2:03pm
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