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You kind of contradict yourself. First you say it doesn't work:
Then it gets better:
http://colloidalsilversecrets.blogspot.com/2011/03/experts-its-silver-ion-that-gives.html
I found the source claiming silver is effective against E.coli and lagionella. Well silver is a known microbiocide you can argue it's not but get a damn good source before saying it isn't. It works and the corrosion associated to the presence of silver ion is really minimal. Those coolants are just going to reduce the performance and you will end with more problem using this stuff.

To re-inforce your point:

http://www.lesliespool.com/Home/Pool-Chemicals/Algae-Control/14037.html

If silver can be used on a large scale to remove or inhibit algae, it could then also be used on a much smaller scale.
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Special silver-based formula eliminates tough black and mustard algae

Hmmm, there's that pesky brown/black algae I was talking about earlier...ph34r2.gif
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....That is solder bro.... Solder has some silver in it but not much.


Edited by Lord Xeb - 2/16/12 at 9:00pm
 
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post #73 of 82
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....That is solder bro.... Solder has some silver in it but not much.

We already went through this. Don't need to do it again.
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Oh but it's soo much fun! I woulda made the alien guy meme, because it's what I see everytime in my head, but the mods are trying to curb the meme usage, so tongue.gif.
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To re-inforce your point:
http://www.lesliespool.com/Home/Pool-Chemicals/Algae-Control/14037.html
If silver can be used on a large scale to remove or inhibit algae, it could then also be used on a much smaller scale.
Quote:
Special silver-based formula eliminates tough black and mustard algae
Hmmm, there's that pesky brown/black algae I was talking about earlier...ph34r2.gif

There is a crucial difference between a pool and a water cooling system. Have fun running Algaecide through your system
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There is a crucial difference between a pool and a water cooling system. Have fun running Algaecide through your system

yep, the main difference being it is significantly more difficult to sterilize an open pool than a closed watercooling system. Open pools will get continuously contaminated. Though most watercoolers are just going to ignore you as arguing that silver is not effective at preventing algae/microbrial contamination is like arguing the earth is flat....

Below is report from the same Slovenia chemical institute EK used that you quoted earlier, just from 2 months of silver coil in distilled, which is exactly what we do
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Silver ions which are dissolved from the coil are extremely toxic for bacteria and algae, and thus are also efficient in a very small concentration

A government study showing silver at 20 ppb is effective in preventing bacteria/algae growth in swimming pools, much more difficult than preventing in our closed, less light loops. How did they get 20 ppb?, just using pump and attaching pure metallic silver to the filter, so water passes over silver....just like we do. below is quote, from governmental research project. AND they used much less silver per water ratio, then we use.
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Pool water circulated through a filter of activated carbon impregnated with metallic silver....

The County Health Department took up to 50 daily samples and found that silver ions remained in the pool at the low, steady rate of 20 parts per billion, with water free of coliform, pseudomonas and staphylococcus bacteria throughout the two seasons. In contrast, 65 water samples from 30 other pools having a mean concentration of 700 parts per billion of available chlorine for disinfection, showed a mean of 1.3 pseudomonas and 7.3 staph cells per millilitre of water.

"This data," the Health Department reported, "indicates that silver is equal to chlorine in maintaining essentially coliform-free pool water, and is somewhat better than chlorine in destroying pseudomonas and staph aureus organisms. The latter two organisms are important from the stand-point of bather health. "During the two seasons with the silver treated pool there have been no eye, ear, nose or throat irritations or infections reported," the Department declared. "It should also be noted that there were no visible growths of algae during the testing period."

The Health Department reported its conclusions thus:

"Silver is an effective bactericide for swimming pool water treatment.
"Silver disinfection is easier and safer than other purifying agents.
"Silver does not produce changes in pH thus eliminating the need to add pH adjustment chemicals.
"Silver at prescribed dosages is non toxic to humans."

And if you put a large piece of silver in small amount of distilled water, you get even higher concentration...quote
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A rectangle of silver-plated nylon yarn, woven into cloth, placed in 2 ounces of distilled water, at room temperature, produces a 1 ppm (1000 ppb) silver ion concentration in 1 hour.

The Biology
Silver ions (Ag+) kill pathogens by disrupting cell:

surfaces - by binding to sites on surface proteins; cells rupture and die.
metabolism - binding to sites on internal enzymes; respiration stops and cells die.
replication - binding to DNA and RNA; cell replication stops and cells die.

Times Required to Kill Specific Pathogens

History of Silver in Drinking Water Applications

History of Silver in Medicine

Scientific Papers:

Silver-Coated Nylon Fiber as an Antibacterial Agent
Department of Molecular & Cell Biology, Pennsylvania State University, 1986

Silver Nylon: a New Antimicrobial Agent
Departments of Surgery & Orthopedic Surgery, Louisiana State University, 1982

Antibacterial Activity & Mechanism of Action of Silver Ion in S. aureus & E. coli
Department of Microbiology, Seoul National University, 2008

Ultra dilute Ag-aqua sols with Extraordinary Bactericidal Properties
Materials Research Innovations, 2007
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600

This is what I first thought of when I saw the images.
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There is a crucial difference between a pool and a water cooling system. Have fun running Algaecide through your system

doh.gif

The quote below handled the response quite well. Your logic is failing you, a smaller system with no open inputs is much easier to maintain than a pool system that is open to the environment.

Water is water, it doesn't mater if it's in a 1 gallon or 10000 gallon container, it will still behave somewhat the same. Before you go on a "your wrong" crusade, it would behoove you to do some research of your own, as you've told people on this thread to do.

Oh, and never run PT Nuke or the other Algaecides made for computer systems, based on your own recommendations.

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yep, the main difference being it is significantly more difficult to sterilize an open pool than a closed watercooling system. Open pools will get continuously contaminated. Though most watercoolers are just going to ignore you as arguing that silver is not effective at preventing algae/microbrial contamination is like arguing the earth is flat....
Below is report from the same Slovenia chemical institute EK used that you quoted earlier, just from 2 months of silver coil in distilled, which is exactly what we do
A government study showing silver at 20 ppb is effective in preventing bacteria/algae growth in swimming pools, much more difficult than preventing in our closed, less light loops. How did they get 20 ppb?, just using pump and attaching pure metallic silver to the filter, so water passes over silver....just like we do. below is quote, from governmental research project. AND they used much less silver per water ratio, then we use.
And if you put a large piece of silver in small amount of distilled water, you get even higher concentration...quote

^this guy is awesome, just saying.
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I find it quite funny there is still some persons arguing silver isn`t working. It is also funny how the OP left the thread a while ago rolleyes.gif
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I find it quite funny there is still some persons arguing silver isn`t working. It is also funny how the OP left the thread a while ago rolleyes.gif

Yea, we hijacked it on topic pretty succinctly, i think wink.gif.
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