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2/14/12 at 10:41pm
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Price needs to come down. Other than power consumption, what do these cards have that the 6850 or 6870 don't at the moment?
AMD, you're getting close to pricing yourself out of competitiveness in this market. Considering that Nvidia has a lot more marketshare, that's very dangerous.

Umm what? AMD has more discrete graphics marketshare than nvidia does at the moment. Where did you get that from?

In terms of total graphics marketshare, nvidia are behind both amd AND Intel.

Source: http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases/details/q3-graphics-shipments-up-16.7-over-last-quarter18.4-over-last-year/
Edited by Neroh - 2/14/12 at 10:44pm
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2/14/12 at 10:47pm
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Umm what? AMD has more discrete graphics marketshare than nvidia does at the moment. Where did you get that from?
In terms of total graphics marketshare, nvidia are behind both amd AND Intel.
Source: http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases/details/q3-graphics-shipments-up-16.7-over-last-quarter18.4-over-last-year/

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

Nvidia definitely has a lot more according to steam.

Why would you use JPR when you can get the information straight from gamers themselves? thumb.gif
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2/14/12 at 10:49pm
Just for giggles and whatnot, compare the laptop 6990M to the desktop 7770. The 6990M is just a downclocked 6870 (715mhz vs 900mhz). That's about 28% slower, and it has a 100W TDP. The 7770 has an 80W TDP at 1000mhz. They could pretty much drop a 7770 into a 6990M laptop, call it a 7850M, and be done with it... while bringing more performance and 20% lower TDP. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gtx-580m-sli-hd-6990m-crossfire,3022-2.html

Such a terrible product right? rolleyes.gif
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2/14/12 at 10:50pm
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http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
Nvidia definitely has a lot more according to steam.
Why would you use JPR when you can get the information straight from gamers themselves? thumb.gif

Steam is only a certain % of PC users. Not only that, only a certain % of Steam users are even prompted to take the survey. I myself haven't had the option for a couple of years now. Sample size etc.
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2/14/12 at 10:51pm
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Steam is only a certain % of PC users. Not only that, only a certain % of Steam users are even prompted to take the survey. I myself haven't had the option for a couple of years now. Sample size etc.

A sample of true gamers that use hardware needed to play games. Almost any statistic posted here is going to be a sample size which will be generally accepted as correct. The difference between what you posted and what I posted is that the article you posted is one that shows a market trend based on what most people see/buy on impulse. The steam hardware survey is a much more accurate picture because it shows what gamers are using at this time and isn't dependent just on what they have bought recently. Apples to Oranges.

You can argue if you wish, but if you want to see which companies are commanding the gamer market, especially in terms of video cards and processors, check the steam hardware survey.
Edited by Mad Pistol - 2/14/12 at 10:56pm
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2/14/12 at 10:55pm
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A sample of true gamers that use hardware needed to play games.
That's a pretty good indication of what sells in the market, especially when it comes to video cards.

But gamers aren't the only people who buy graphics cards. Do you actually think nvidia or AMD care what kind of person buys their GPUs? It doesnt matter lol. OEM computers sell far more than discrete GPU packages. And many people who buy OEM machines wouldn't even play games, they'd have a console.

And as I said, only a certain % of people on Steam are given the option to take the survey. Even less actually do it.
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2/14/12 at 11:00pm
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But gamers aren't the only people who buy graphics cards. Do you actually think nvidia or AMD care what kind of person buys their GPUs? It doesnt matter lol. OEM computers sell far more than discrete GPU packages. And many people who buy OEM machines wouldn't even play games, they'd have a console.
And as I said, only a certain % of people on Steam are given the option to take the survey. Even less actually do it.

*sigh*

You don't get it. The HD 7770 and 7750 are marketed towards people which use steam as a means for acquiring games. We're not talking about the overall market. If that were the case, Intel commands the graphics market since many PC's come with integrated solutions preinstalled. This thread is about a couple of mid-range gamer cards which are very rarely included in a regular OEM PC from Dell or HP. Most people buy these cards from sites like Newegg or Amazon and install them in their PC's so they can play their favorite games.

While you are right, you're taking this one out of context. In terms of discrete GAMER level cards, Nvidia is in command of the market. Based on the Steam hardware survey (which includes roughly 1.5 years of data) Nvidia is still in the lead for overall usage for gamers. Yes it is only a sample, but if you increase or decrease the sample size, I bet the percentages remain roughly the same.
Edited by Mad Pistol - 2/14/12 at 11:05pm
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2/14/12 at 11:04pm
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*sigh*
You don't get it. The HD 7770 and 7750 are marketed towards people which use steam as a means for acquiring games. We're not talking about the overall market. If that were the case, Intel commands the graphics market since many PC's come with integrated solutions preinstalled. This thread is about a couple of mid-range gamer cards which are very rarely included in a regular OEM PC from Dell or HP. Most people buy these cards from sites like Newegg or Amazon and install them in their PC's so they can play their favorite games.
While you are right, you're taking this one out of context. In terms of discrete GAMER level cards, Nvidia is in command of the market.

I don't think its targeted towards gamers per say. Look at the power consumption. The 7700 cards are literally the perfect cards for OEMs. Reasonable performance, quiet, and they use very little power.

The x700 cards have been mainstream ever since Northern Islands. I think they purposefully reeled in performance to make it more suitable for terrible 0 airflow cases and godawful PSUs that OEMS love to stick in their machines. A gamer like you and I isn't going to look for a 7700 series card. Pitcairn or Tahiti are where it's at for us on the AMD side of things.

Perhaps nvidia do have a greater share of the high end market. That isn't what makes companies money though. You said they were pricing themselves out of competitiveness, but to be honest I don't think the high end is really what matters except for bragging rights. And besides, AMD use small dies for all of their cards, so its not like they have to price the 7xxx cards the way they do. They could probably drop every segment massively and still make a tidy profit, and thats probably what will happen when Kepler arrives.
Edited by Neroh - 2/14/12 at 11:08pm
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2/14/12 at 11:06pm
HUGE pass on 7700 series... Bad time to fire any senior heads IMO, but that's why I'm not making the big bucks I suppose.
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2/14/12 at 11:09pm
now you know when AMD hype something up it's going to fail...
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