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I seriously do not understand all the "clear cut" negativity towards Cape Verde. Do you guys seriously think it's a bad product? Yes, it's priced too high for it to be a good option right now, but I think the same applies to Tahiti. Do the 7950/7970 fare well in performance/price charts? Hell no.
But the hardware is absolutely amazing, just like Cape Verde. The combination of GCN and 28nm is clearly a big step forward for AMD. The simple fact that the 7750 can perform very very close to a 5770 while requiring only 512 shaders in a chip that's barely 1cm on each side and consumes 75W (no external power required) makes it a great product. Nothing else on the market is even close to this level of performance/watt.
The people who claim this is another case of "Bulldozer" are clueless. Bulldozer wasn't only a flop in product positioning in the consumer market, but also a huge flop on a technical level. Worse IPC and higher power consumption. That is NOT the case with Cape Verde.
Of course AMD is going to charge a premium for their latest cards. They're unparalleled right now in that they're state-of-the-art tech. On top of that, margins are already relatively small on GPU's.
Here's a great example a buddy of mine shared with me:
GTX570: 520mm^2 die, $320
i7 3930K: 435mm^2 die, $620
As such, I feel AMD has every right to charge a moderate premium until Nvidia can release a competitor. I can't wait for Kepler's release. AMD will unquestionably drop prices at that time, making the 7750/7770 almost irresistible for SFF/low power gaming rigs. And hopefully Kepler will be just as good, if not better.
Also, someone mentioned the awesome idea of Cape Verde adapted for laptops. This should finally bring mainstream gaming performance to mid-cost laptops with good portability and battery life. Given that the 7750 only uses 75W, AMD could easily shrink that down to a sub-45W part with lower clocks while still maintaining the 512 shaders. That would give desktop 5750-like performance. Combine that with a switchable graphics dual-core Ivy Bridge and stick them in a 14" chassis. What do you get? A sub-$800 thin and light gaming laptop with 6+ hours of battery life.
Conclusion: I think AMD is going for a different approach with these GPU's. They're not aiming for the performance crown, obviously. They've instead designed a card that is incredibly efficient and opens up a new realm of possibilities for mobile computing. The desktop 7770/7750 are not great products at the current prices, nor are they good options if you already have the previous generation's midrange (6770, 6850, 6870). But once the prices inevitably drop, they will be offering near-midrange performance at an entry-level price and power consumption. Nvidia will beat them in performance, but given the purported size of Kepler's die, they likely will lose in performance/watt.

Speaking for myself. I'm not negative towards Cape Verde but towards the SKU HD 7770 in particular. It's all nice that they're power efficient but honestly it should be at 28nm while performance is pretty much stagnant since the 5770. It's nice to see that GCN pays off in terms of efficiency but the current market is now messed up in prices and more so the 7770 ends up losing even to the old rival of the HD 5770, the GTX 460, and the HD 6850. The 7770 is a weak desktop product because of its price. It would be nice as an HD 7670 at ~$100 though.

And prices for CPUs and GPUs are a bit awkward to compare since you don't actually pay that much for silicon and gate material but for R&D costs. GPUs are giant parallel compute units whereas CPUs are Out Of Order compute units that are better at fetching instructions and storing data from and to registers. Designing GPUs is more of a "copy & paste" while it takes a long time to design a complex CPU.
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Pricing doesn't define whether a product is good or not. Does it have better performance than last gen (faster than a 6770, check), low power consumption, good thermals, etc.? Suppose for example that AMD made a quad-core as fast as an i7-2700k with less power consumption and slightly more OC headroom.. but it was priced at $500. Price, bad. Product, good. Prices can/will always drop.

Of course it's faster than the 6770 because the 6770 was nothing more than a rebranded 5770. It'd be sad for a card to come out in January 2012 that isn't faster than a card that came out in October 2009. That doesn't make it a good product though.
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Of course it's faster than the 6770 because the 6770 was nothing more than a rebranded 5770. It'd be sad for a card to come out in January 2012 that isn't faster than a card that came out in October 2009. That doesn't make it a good product though.

6770 was only a 5770 rebrand because 32nm TSMC was cancelled. What card exactly are you referring to, that the 7770 is slower than? It's faster than a 5770, gains about 10% performance with the factory overclock XFX card, 80W TDP card replacing a 120W TDP card and somehow this is disappointing? Compare the 7850 to the 6770 and let me know how terrible 7000 series is. Both should have same TDPs and similar die sizes. Again to reiterate, I'm completely lost on why everyone is whining about performance of a lower-midrange card with an 80W TDP. The last good <120W Nvidia card was the 9600GSO.
 
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6770 was only a 5770 rebrand because 32nm TSMC was cancelled. What card exactly are you referring to, that the 7770 is slower than? It's faster than a 5770, gains about 10% performance with the factory overclock XFX card, 80W TDP card replacing a 120W TDP card and somehow this is disappointing? Compare the 7850 to the 6770 and let me know how terrible 7000 series is. Both should have same TDPs and similar die sizes. Again to reiterate, I'm completely lost on why everyone is whining about performance of a lower-midrange card with an 80W TDP. The last good <120W Nvidia card was the 9600GSO.

Bang-for-buck is the reason.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7770/28.html - as you can see with current price of the card its about 25% overpriced or underperforming if staying at that price point. The 6870 is sitting in practically same price point with practically same features (other than power consumption),
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one thing ive noticed is the performance bump from ocing the memory. this card is held back so greatly that i just crazy.
on motherboards.org i saw two reviews of tose cards. xfx and sapphire
one had 1250 MHz clocked ram (sapphire) and other had just 50MHz more on ram, and it pushed performance massively.
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one thing ive noticed is the performance bump from ocing the memory. this card is held back so greatly that i just crazy.
on motherboards.org i saw two reviews of tose cards. xfx and sapphire
one had 1250 MHz clocked ram (sapphire) and other had just 50MHz more on ram, and it pushed performance massively.

They keep sticking a 128bit bus on the mid range cards, I don't know why but these days a 256bit one would make much more sense!
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one thing ive noticed is the performance bump from ocing the memory. this card is held back so greatly that i just crazy.
on motherboards.org i saw two reviews of tose cards. xfx and sapphire
one had 1250 MHz clocked ram (sapphire) and other had just 50MHz more on ram, and it pushed performance massively.

I agree. Running Eyefinity setup at 5400x1920 resolution with 6770 - the main bottleneck is memory. The cards performance itself is not that spectacular at that resolution either ofc but it gets the job done - you just have to carefully tweak stuff that take most memory, like killing off any AA for a start, etc. 256 bit bus would give a lot to that card in my opinion but I quess its a lot cheaper to use a 128 bit one.
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Looks like now I will be keeping my 5770 until the 7870 cards come out.... I didn't want to spend that much, but AMD has now forced my hand. mad.gif
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Doesnt seem like a bad little card, the pricing is just wrong.
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WD Caviar Black, 500gb OCZ Solid 3 Sony Optiarc Corsair H50 
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WD Caviar Black, 500gb OCZ Solid 3 Sony Optiarc Corsair H50 
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Windows 7 Ultimate Samsung P2570HD + Other Logitech G110 Corsair 750W HX 
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