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What kind of overdrive settings are there? Try turning it down or off. 1 ms is a pretty bold claim, so I'd be skeptical in multiple ways. Maybe it has huge amounts of reverse ghosting from over-aggressive overdrive?

You can try running some synthetic tests like PixPerAn, which should easily reveal issues with pixel responsiveness. You just need to eyeball the moving flags or rectangles or whatnot. It should be pretty obvious. This can help you fine tune any type of overdrive setting.

http://www.prad.de/download/pixperan_english.zip

It should be that a relatively fast TN panel with overdrive applied reasonably, should have very minimal ghosting, to the point where it's almost impossible to notice in practice. Some people are a little more sensitive than others, so it's hard to say for sure.
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Set card back to stock settings and it didnt had any effect either frown.gif
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What kind of overdrive settings are there? Try turning it down or off. 1 ms is a pretty bold claim, so I'd be skeptical in multiple ways. Maybe it has huge amounts of reverse ghosting from over-aggressive overdrive?
You can try running some synthetic tests like PixPerAn, which should easily reveal issues with pixel responsiveness. You just need to eyeball the moving flags or rectangles or whatnot. It should be pretty obvious. This can help you fine tune any type of overdrive setting.
http://www.prad.de/download/pixperan_english.zip
It should be that a relatively fast TN panel with overdrive applied reasonably, should have very minimal ghosting, to the point where it's almost impossible to notice in practice. Some people are a little more sensitive than others, so it's hard to say for sure.

Maybe i am using the wrong term ?

I see trails following image's when the image move's fast.
Same if i make my mouse pointer move fast on a black background its like 1 pointer is following the other.
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This came out of the test:

Graphics mode: 1920x1080 @ 32 bpp
Frame rate: 60.0 Hz
Gamma factor: 2.0666

Flag test: b->w: 100.0%, w->b: 100.0%, b->g: 76.6%, w->g: 100.0%
Chase test: 2(4.8ms), 2(8.3ms), 3(7.1ms)
Readability: Tempo 0
Game: Score: 49 Points, hit rate: 22%
streaky graphic: Graphic no. 3, Tempo 16, Gamma 2.02, r.exp 0.99, r.time 9.9, r.delay 1.0, f.exp 1.01, f.time 26.4, f.delay 1.0, s.tempo 1

Looks normal not ?
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I think you can do absolutely nothing to prevent ghosting. Is monitor´s problem (low response). For instance, my previous monitor was a Viewsonic 20 "VX series and a lg 19" (medium series nothing special) and had a rather exaggerated ghosting (which felt more in racing games). Changing to my current monitors, one of the things I made sure to buy were input lag zero and no ghosting. And indeed, in the LGs that I have now, I do not have any ghosting.
post #16 of 49
Well yeah, if you increase the tempo on the chase test and the rectangles get blurrier (longer too) with trails behind them, then you're quite clearly seeing the ghosting. It's not like the program is looking at your computer monitor and can actually analyze anything; it's just spitting out the results from however you set the sliders, which should be based on what you're looking at.

Some monitors will have ghosting that's much worse, so you get much longer trails and/or reverse color trails.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Farih View Post

Maybe i am using the wrong term ?
I see trails following image's when the image move's fast.
Same if i make my mouse pointer move fast on a black background its like 1 pointer is following the other.

My monitor is 2ms and i also get this.
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My monitor is 2ms and i also get this.

Maybe we just ask to much of our monitors or see things other people cant.....

Tryed this monitor on another computer and still the same thing..

On the view reviews [mostly custumor reviews] people seem really satisfied with this monitor and most state that its very fast.
Here is a few bits i could find.
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/monitors/1287691/iiyama-prolite-e2773hds
http://nl.hardware.info/productervaring/2699/iiyama-prolite-e2773hds-b1-door-dragonetti [Dutch]
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-077-IY&tool=3
Nobody mentions anything about ghosting......

I tryed 4 monitors now, an LG W2453V-PF, a cheap 22inch OAC, a BenQ G2220HD and this Iiyama Prolite E2773HDS and all have the ghosting/trailing.
Maybe its something all TN panels have but some people just dont see it ?
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Originally Posted by Farih View Post

Maybe we just ask to much of our monitors or see things other people cant.....
Tryed this monitor on another computer and still the same thing..
On the view reviews [mostly custumor reviews] people seem really satisfied with this monitor and most state that its very fast.
Here is a few bits i could find.
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/monitors/1287691/iiyama-prolite-e2773hds
http://nl.hardware.info/productervaring/2699/iiyama-prolite-e2773hds-b1-door-dragonetti [Dutch]
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-077-IY&tool=3
Nobody mentions anything about ghosting......
I tryed 4 monitors now, an LG W2453V-PF, a cheap 22inch OAC, a BenQ G2220HD and this Iiyama Prolite E2773HDS and all have the ghosting/trailing.
Maybe its something all TN panels have but some people just dont see it ?

People accept it because they don't see it as a problem. I don't see it as an issue because i don't move the mouse fast on a black background lol. I just enjoy my monitor and my games. I bet if you came to my home and watched me on the PC you would be able to say "Hang on Brad, your screen is ghosting" smile.gif

As for tearing, yep, it happenes. Happenes on some games more than others too. Vsync sorts it out. I play with vsync on, always. Just try not to see the ghosting as a problem unless it gets in your way of you doing things. Do you get it when playing games?
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The other LCD display technologies are all slower in pixel response time in general, so they will be even worse for ghosting. TN is fast by comparison.
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