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It seems MS wants to have Windows on everything; phones, tablets, desktops...

... Your brain.
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Maybe for business use since they can run virtualization.
This transition to WinRT is for the Microsoft App Store. Microsoft wants to turn Windows into the the Apple Store/Xbox Live so they can create a walled garden to get money from software developers. Apple takes a huge cut from app sales. Microsoft knows this from Xbox Live.
New business model to control end users.

I can see all of this getting so bad in the next couple years that it drives me away from video-games. Unless we get #ProjectRealityStandalone!
post #23 of 71
I love to see Intel in a crux as they tend to make revolutionary leaps when threatened and the death of x86 is about the biggest threat one can imagine for them.

They already have a low-power core that's twice as fast as the Cortex A9, so the only thing they need to do is license x86 for smartphone use.

If Intel did license x86, are manufacturers willing to go up against Intel who appears to have an absolute advantage at making x86 processors?
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well as long as dual boot is available I wont bee bother much with this. in my opinion this is more like moving from DOS to windows ... biggrin.gif ... yeah so many movement happen but if and only if MS able to show the big advantage over the predecessor then they'll win this battle.

the funny thing is when the time Futuremark or IBT developer rewriting their software so it is able to use in win 8, which means it will probably able to run by arm based system, so we can instal 3dmark or IBT into our arm device and then we will see it died in a painful test ... lol ...
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I love to see Intel in a crux as they tend to make revolutionary leaps when threatened and the death of x86 is about the biggest threat one can imagine for them.
They already have a low-power core that's twice as fast as the Cortex A9, so the only thing they need to do is license x86 for smartphone use.
If Intel did license x86, are manufacturers willing to go up against Intel who appears to have an absolute advantage at making x86 processors?

I'm curious to see just what Intel can do. There's been a lot of talk about x86 being too taxing for it to be meaningful on low power/low performance parts but with those phones coming out it will be interesting. If the battery life, heat, and performance are good Intel could have a chance.

As for MS with Win8...I'm less and less optimistic about it for a desktop/laptop stand point but hold out that they may actually make it work on ARM. I mean ever since Vista SP3/4 (AKA Win7) there isn't much to want really besides a better file system without basically wishing for windows to be Linux.
     
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So basically your x86/x86-64 software library is useless under Windows 8 ARM and Metro. All the applications we currently use on Windows 3.1 to Windows 7 (for desktop) are incompatible with WinRT API.

Actually, Windows 3.1 was 16-bit. It was 95 onwards that were fully 32-bit operating systems, and while a 64-bit OS can run 32-bit programmes, it isn't the same for 16-bit vs. 32-bit. So Windows 3.1 programmes won't natively run on 95 onwards.
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I love to see Intel in a crux as they tend to make revolutionary leaps when threatened and the death of x86 is about the biggest threat one can imagine for them.
They already have a low-power core that's twice as fast as the Cortex A9, so the only thing they need to do is license x86 for smartphone use.
If Intel did license x86, are manufacturers willing to go up against Intel who appears to have an absolute advantage at making x86 processors?

As I understand it...

x86 itself doesn't have to be licensed - the original x86 machines have passed the point that the patents protect them. The thing that you would have to licence would be the 64-bit architecture (AMD or Intel - each have their own), and several of the newer developments. If you were into chip design, I would imagine the backwards-engineering some of the newer technologies would not be too difficult, so you might simply be looking at SSE-type licences.

The problem being that Intel's chips are very, very good. You would be right that licensing them would be better than directly developing your own, but as I understand it, Intel never have, and likely never will licence out individual chip designs. Why licence them to others when you can make them yourself? They have their own fabs and so get to keep more of the profit if they do all of the work themselves.


I might be wrong here, as a lot of my knowledge has come from places like Wikipedia, and hearsay on this forum, but I believe that we won't be seeing Intel licensing out individual chip designs any time soon.
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Well in my opinion from what I saw/used in the Developer Preview it will be like Windows ME (Mistake Edition)
It will turn out to be named Windows 8it (Windows ate it) puke.gif

It truly sickens me that some Linux distros are going with the Metro type crap (Unity) and the new Mint edition 12 called Lisa (sounds like an ex-wife from hell)

About getting away from x86, well that's fine with me.
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post #28 of 71
Im sick of reading about windows 8 and it's not because i can't stand the metro interface, the new logo, the ARM support, renaming programs to apps (knives have several application and one of those application is stabbing people who call programs apps) But worst of all is the apocalyptic tales that spread like locusts.

If Microsoft locks down their system windows 9 will be released in 2 years and be more open than linux.
If Microsoft forces the metro GUI down the consumers throat windows 9 will be released in 2 years and look like windows 95.

it's not only about pleasing the consumers, any attempt to lock down the worlds most used operating system will result in a barrage of lawsuits, antitrust investigation and interweb suicide bombings.
I bet my ass that microsoft can be that stupid but they'll still have to go back if they are. Apple can get away with it since only 5% (I dont care, all of them are beavertoads) use the OS.

As far as the whole intel dominating the market thing goes: once the shrinking has reached a real roadblock architecture (within the x86 paradigm) will become even more important and companies even the innovative ones tends to be slow and conservative, killing your darlings ain't fun thus opening up for new manufacturers or hopefully an oem market.
 
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post #29 of 71
Haven't they been saying this for years?
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Looks like Linux and other FOSS desktop operating systems may get a go at it, again. Where is BeOS when we need it.
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