Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Software News › [ZDNet] The long kiss goodbye for x86 desktop Windows
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[ZDNet] The long kiss goodbye for x86 desktop Windows - Page 6

post #51 of 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by hajile View Post

Intel won because it had the fastest CISC chips at the time (and CISC part was viewed as important due to RAM costs).
Since that time, Intel and AMD have moved to a RISC architecture with a CISC decoder (note: many ARM instructions are *very* CISC-like making the whole ARM-is-better-because-they-are-RISC somewhat untrue). I don't think that ARM has the huge advantage that most people believe to to have. Current ARM chips only achieve good energy efficiency when the can get a job done quickly and go back to idle (and Medfield idle power consumption is on par with current A9 chips). The next generation of ARM chips will increase power consumption. Some manufacturers are trying to partially negate this with big-little, but the max TDP won't change. If AMD decides to die-shrink Brazos (there was talk that a die-shrink was abandoned, but AMDs current talk of sticking with 28nm for a while seems to make that somewhat doubtful), then the AMD chip will likely beat A15 in most every metric.

Uh...Not sure where you heard that, but the Motorola 68000 was faster than the 8086. And it's CISC. Intel's 8088 won out because of the IBM PC and it being the only option that was priced low enough (Due to the8088 being able to use common, cheap, 8bit peripherals as opposed to newer and expensive 16bit ones)

Medfields power consumption is 2.6w idle at the moment, going down to 2w...Tegra 3 uses practically no power idling because it actually saves power from other areas such as the screen. It's idle TDP is above current A9 chips, Tegra3 also matches Medfield while using similar/less amounts of power.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 3570k @ 4.5Ghz ASRock Z77 Pro3 Powercolor Radeon HD7950 3GB @ 1150/1350 4x4GB G.Skill Ares 2000Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 840 250GB Western Digital Black 1TB WD1002FAEX Seagate Barracuda 3TB ST3000DM001 Samsung Spinpoint EcoGreen 2TB 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Pioneer DVR-220LBKS Noctua NH-D14 Scythe Gentle Typhoon 1850rpm Corsair AF140 Quiet Edition 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Arcitc Cooling Acclero Twin Turbo II Arch Linux x86-64, amdgpu BenQ G2220HD BenQ G2020HD 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky Shine III Year of the Snake, Cherry Blue Silverstone Strider Plus 600w CoolerMaster CM690 II Black and White SteelSeries Sensei Professional 
Mouse PadAudioOther
Artisan Hien Mid Japan Black Large ASUS Xonar DX NZXT Sentry Mesh 30w Fan Controller 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 3570k @ 4.5Ghz ASRock Z77 Pro3 Powercolor Radeon HD7950 3GB @ 1150/1350 4x4GB G.Skill Ares 2000Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 840 250GB Western Digital Black 1TB WD1002FAEX Seagate Barracuda 3TB ST3000DM001 Samsung Spinpoint EcoGreen 2TB 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Pioneer DVR-220LBKS Noctua NH-D14 Scythe Gentle Typhoon 1850rpm Corsair AF140 Quiet Edition 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Arcitc Cooling Acclero Twin Turbo II Arch Linux x86-64, amdgpu BenQ G2220HD BenQ G2020HD 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky Shine III Year of the Snake, Cherry Blue Silverstone Strider Plus 600w CoolerMaster CM690 II Black and White SteelSeries Sensei Professional 
Mouse PadAudioOther
Artisan Hien Mid Japan Black Large ASUS Xonar DX NZXT Sentry Mesh 30w Fan Controller 
  hide details  
Reply
post #52 of 71
It means the programmers have more home-work to do.biggrin.gif A long painful journey a head. LOL
post #53 of 71
I wont be upgrading. I am perfectly content with windows 7 for my needs. Heck, I dont even use windows update, anti virus, firewalls, or anything. My computing needs for home are very simple. Play games, run benches, use netflix. I feel like I could use windows 7 in its current state forever like that and not get bored. Even with the current hardware platforms, there is much fun to be had for years.
Main Rig
(15 items)
 
 
Living Room PC
(12 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4790K @ 4800 G1 Sniper 5 GTX 780Ti SLI @ 1300MHz 16GB DDR3 @ 2200 9-11-11-31 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
2TB Hitatchi HDD 1TB Samsung 840 EVO samsung DVDRW DL Custom Water loop 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Win7 64 LG 27" 1080p EVGA 1000P Corsair 700D 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770K @ 5000 Z77X-UP7 GTX770 2x4GB DDR3 7-8-7-21 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Velociraptor 250GB 840Evo DVD Burner Coolermaster hyper 212+ 
OSPowerCase
Win 7 x64 OCZ GameXtreme 700W  Dimastech mini v1 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600 Asus P8Z77-V Pro GTX580 8GB DDR3 @ 1600 9-9-9 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
2TB hitachi 500GB 850EVO Blue Ray Hyper 212+ 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Win7 64` 42" Panasonic Plasma TX650 Tuniq Tower 3 
  hide details  
Reply
Main Rig
(15 items)
 
 
Living Room PC
(12 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4790K @ 4800 G1 Sniper 5 GTX 780Ti SLI @ 1300MHz 16GB DDR3 @ 2200 9-11-11-31 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
2TB Hitatchi HDD 1TB Samsung 840 EVO samsung DVDRW DL Custom Water loop 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Win7 64 LG 27" 1080p EVGA 1000P Corsair 700D 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770K @ 5000 Z77X-UP7 GTX770 2x4GB DDR3 7-8-7-21 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Velociraptor 250GB 840Evo DVD Burner Coolermaster hyper 212+ 
OSPowerCase
Win 7 x64 OCZ GameXtreme 700W  Dimastech mini v1 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600 Asus P8Z77-V Pro GTX580 8GB DDR3 @ 1600 9-9-9 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
2TB hitachi 500GB 850EVO Blue Ray Hyper 212+ 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Win7 64` 42" Panasonic Plasma TX650 Tuniq Tower 3 
  hide details  
Reply
post #54 of 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post

Uh...Not sure where you heard that, but the Motorola 68000 was faster than the 8086. And it's CISC. Intel's 8088 won out because of the IBM PC and it being the only option that was priced low enough (Due to the8088 being able to use common, cheap, 8bit peripherals as opposed to newer and expensive 16bit ones)
Medfields power consumption is 2.6w idle at the moment, going down to 2w...Tegra 3 uses practically no power idling because it actually saves power from other areas such as the screen. It's idle TDP is above current A9 chips, Tegra3 also matches Medfield while using similar/less amounts of power.

You are correct when you say that the 68000 was faster (I wrote too late at night. Thanks for the correction).

Medfield's idle consumption is (according to anandtech) :
Code:
                                   Standby (3G)      Talk (3G)       Browsing (3G)   Video Playback 720p
Apple iPhone 4S                         ~38mW   ~800mW          ~1.3W                   ~500mW
Intel Medfield Reference        ~18mW   ~700mW          ~1.0]W                  ~850mW
Samsung Galaxy S II             ~19mW   ~675mW          ~1.2W                   ~650mW
Notice that even when web browsing, Medfield has MUCH lower power consumption when browsing (and has much better performance)

All of these are far less than the 2.6w FUD spread shortly before CES.
post #55 of 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post


That was more due to the IBM PC and the low-price of the 8088 compared to the other competing CPUs, no-one who programs assembly likes x86 at all.
People bought the IBM PC because it was cheap, or one of the clones and then wanted to keep their programs working...It's a cycle.

asm is rather a moot point with C/C++ etc languages.

and the truth is, and arm and other uarch ballwashers love to carry this water about ibm, pricing etc, X86 had higher performance per $$$$ end of story.
post #56 of 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by quadx View Post

It seems MS wants to have Windows on everything; phones, tablets, desktops.
long live linux

true dat bro!!! debian ftw!
post #57 of 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post

Windows 3.1 = Good
Windows 95 = Bad, Good after SR2
Windows 98 = Bad, Good after SE
Windows ME = Bad
Windows 2000 = Bad, good after SP2
Windows XP = Bad, good after SP1
Windows Vitsa = Bad, good after SP1
Windows 7 = Vista SP2, so just good.
I wish people would stop spreading the good-bad cycle crap.

This, x10000000000000

The whole good/bad cycle is complete crap.
post #58 of 71
Hopefully the .NET framework will be mostly ported so a simple toggle will be all that is required to start compiling for the mobile environment. A whole new framework and way of developing could be too much of a jump / shock for early adopters to jump onto. Windows 8 in the mobile environment really needs as many active developers as it can get as early as possible.

When the Consumer Preview of 8 is launched (not long now) I'll certainly be playing around with it and the beta visual studio to see what the limitations are.

I feel x86 has been on the way out for a while now with x64 hardware support being integrated for many years now, I believe when windows 7 was launched Microsoft said windows 8 would be their last commercial OS with standalone 32-bit version? (No source, just memory so forgive if mistaken).
Yuki-N>
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
intel i7-2600k @ 4.4GHz Gigabyte G1 Sniper 2 Powercolor HD 7970 LCS XFX HD 6770 Eyefinity5 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
16GB (4x4 Corsair DDR3 Vengeance 1600 @ 8-8-8-24) 2x RAID0 Corsair Force GT SSD 120GB XSPC Rasa 480 Windows 8 x64 CP 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
8x Dell U2412M @ 1920x1200 Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Corsair 850W Ultra Quiet 80+ ATX XSPC H2 Tower Case 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Naga Razer Ironclad Creative X-Fi Fatality 
  hide details  
Reply
Yuki-N>
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
intel i7-2600k @ 4.4GHz Gigabyte G1 Sniper 2 Powercolor HD 7970 LCS XFX HD 6770 Eyefinity5 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
16GB (4x4 Corsair DDR3 Vengeance 1600 @ 8-8-8-24) 2x RAID0 Corsair Force GT SSD 120GB XSPC Rasa 480 Windows 8 x64 CP 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
8x Dell U2412M @ 1920x1200 Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Corsair 850W Ultra Quiet 80+ ATX XSPC H2 Tower Case 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Naga Razer Ironclad Creative X-Fi Fatality 
  hide details  
Reply
post #59 of 71
The amount of misinformation being shot around in this thread is astounding.


Why does people read 1 bad thing(From there perspective mind you) then assume its going to be terrible?


Personally, from all the "facts" Ive read about windows 8 I went from being a skeptic to kinda excited. But just like the Vista hate I hear all the time at work(even to this day) I guess win8 had to either be terrible or the greatest thing ever no middle ground.

But anymore when I hear the hate about vista....I just chuckle and smile at the poor misinformed customer.
Project G
(18 items)
 
Project E
(16 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4790k ASUS MAXIMUS VII HERO Evga GTX980ti +Backplate G.SKILL Sniper Gaming Series 16GB  
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial 256GB SSD Samsung F3 1TB Samsung F3 1TB Crucial 240GB SSD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Asus 24x Corsair H100i Windows 10 Home  QNIX 2710 2560x1440p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
corsair k70 blue Evga SuperNova 750G2 Corsair 540 Logitech G602 
Mouse PadAudio
Hard surface pad Creative Sound Blaster Z--> Schiit Modi Optical... 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 3.6 1.25v(HT ON) Gigabyte P55 UD4P Asus5870 G.SKILL Ripjaws 4gb 1600(7-8-7-24-2N) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
80GB X25-M Seagate 7200.10 250GB HDD Corsair H50 Rotating 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
650 Watt Seasonic Cooler Master Elite 361 RC-361-KKN1 G500 Creative Xtreme Gamer 
  hide details  
Reply
Project G
(18 items)
 
Project E
(16 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4790k ASUS MAXIMUS VII HERO Evga GTX980ti +Backplate G.SKILL Sniper Gaming Series 16GB  
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial 256GB SSD Samsung F3 1TB Samsung F3 1TB Crucial 240GB SSD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Asus 24x Corsair H100i Windows 10 Home  QNIX 2710 2560x1440p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
corsair k70 blue Evga SuperNova 750G2 Corsair 540 Logitech G602 
Mouse PadAudio
Hard surface pad Creative Sound Blaster Z--> Schiit Modi Optical... 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 3.6 1.25v(HT ON) Gigabyte P55 UD4P Asus5870 G.SKILL Ripjaws 4gb 1600(7-8-7-24-2N) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
80GB X25-M Seagate 7200.10 250GB HDD Corsair H50 Rotating 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
650 Watt Seasonic Cooler Master Elite 361 RC-361-KKN1 G500 Creative Xtreme Gamer 
  hide details  
Reply
post #60 of 71
Above all else, I think calling this next little stage of evolution the death of desktop PC and x86 is a big fat exaggeration.
Lounge Machine
(17 items)
 
Doc Wallace
(14 items)
 
Cap'n Crunch
(12 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5-2500K @ 4.70 GHz Asus P8P67 Pro XFX Double D R9 280 [1200/1600] 8GB G.Skill Sniper DDR3-2133 [9-11-10-28] 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Mushkin Chronos 120GB SATA3 Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB Asus DRW-24B1ST XSPC Rasa 750 RS240 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro x64 Asus VH236H Rosewill RK-7300 Rosewill RX750-S-B 
CaseMouseAudioOther
Lancool PC-K62 Logitech Mx518 Realtek HD 192KHz Visiontek Killer 2100 NIC 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 @ 3.80 GHz ASRock 770iCafe AM3+ EVGA Geforce GTX 460 1GB 8GB G.Skill Sniper 1866 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Corsair Nova 30GB WD Caviar Blue 640GB Lite-On DVDRW Corsair H50 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 Pro x64 Asus VH236H Corsair CX430 Diablotek EVO RPA-6170 
Mouse
Logitech LX3 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Xeon 3060 @ 3.6GHz MSI P35 Platinum EVGA Geforce GTS 250 512MB 2GB OCZ Fatal1ty + 2GB ADATA Premier DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung HD161HJ DVDRW Xigmatek Dark Knight Windows 7 Home Premium x64 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Compaq S1922A Cheifmax 650W Raidmax Smilodon EB Logitech LX3 
  hide details  
Reply
Lounge Machine
(17 items)
 
Doc Wallace
(14 items)
 
Cap'n Crunch
(12 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5-2500K @ 4.70 GHz Asus P8P67 Pro XFX Double D R9 280 [1200/1600] 8GB G.Skill Sniper DDR3-2133 [9-11-10-28] 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Mushkin Chronos 120GB SATA3 Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB Asus DRW-24B1ST XSPC Rasa 750 RS240 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro x64 Asus VH236H Rosewill RK-7300 Rosewill RX750-S-B 
CaseMouseAudioOther
Lancool PC-K62 Logitech Mx518 Realtek HD 192KHz Visiontek Killer 2100 NIC 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 @ 3.80 GHz ASRock 770iCafe AM3+ EVGA Geforce GTX 460 1GB 8GB G.Skill Sniper 1866 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Corsair Nova 30GB WD Caviar Blue 640GB Lite-On DVDRW Corsair H50 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 Pro x64 Asus VH236H Corsair CX430 Diablotek EVO RPA-6170 
Mouse
Logitech LX3 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Xeon 3060 @ 3.6GHz MSI P35 Platinum EVGA Geforce GTS 250 512MB 2GB OCZ Fatal1ty + 2GB ADATA Premier DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung HD161HJ DVDRW Xigmatek Dark Knight Windows 7 Home Premium x64 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Compaq S1922A Cheifmax 650W Raidmax Smilodon EB Logitech LX3 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Software News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Software News › [ZDNet] The long kiss goodbye for x86 desktop Windows