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ya I lolled at this too, why were they using IPads? also do you think these workers are going to put down what they really feel? there is no anonymity in a COMMUNIST REGIME - CHINA.
this all boils down to another publicity stunt by Apple to cover its ass.
-doober
The group consists of 35,000 anonymous workers across three different factories, there's no way Foxconn will know who said what. Apple's not doing anything wrong, and nor is any other company using Foxconn, so they've got nothing to cover.
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The group consists of 35,000 anonymous workers across three different factories, there's no way Foxconn will know who said what. Apple's not doing anything wrong, and nor is any other company using Foxconn, so they've got nothing to cover.

If they wanted to it'd be as easy as taking a photo each time a survey completes. That would assume the FLA is in Apple's pocket though ...or Apple provided the iPads for the audit.. (Again, why are they taking surveys on iPads?)

That being said, I agree the working conditions blow but isn't Apple's fault. Just look at our short term history - wasn't much different for Americans back in the day. (And seems to be regressing)
Edited by Nugu - 2/15/12 at 7:39pm
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ya I lolled at this too, why were they using IPads? also do you think these workers are going to put down what they really feel? there is no anonymity in a COMMUNIST REGIME - CHINA.
this all boils down to another publicity stunt by Apple to cover its ass.
-doober

There's nohing communist about modern China, it's more of an ultra free market autocracy now.
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If they wanted to it'd be as easy as taking a photo each time a survey completes. That would assume the FLA is in Apple's pocket though ...or Apple provided the iPads for the audit.. (Again, why are they taking surveys on iPads?)
That being said, I agree the working conditions blow but isn't Apple's fault. Just look at our short term history - wasn't much different for Americans back in the day. (And seems to be regressing)
How'd taking a photo of them each time a survey completes show them who said what? And I'm sure they're not allowed to do that.
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I love this. My major qualm with this whole situation is that the ONLY reason Apple did this was to recover reputation after a gigantic searing blow straight to them over the quality of living their outsourced labor has. Its pretty much a slap in the face to Americans though, "Hey, we hear you, sorry we treat our underpaid oversea workers poorly - here we'll spend a SMALL FRACTION of the money it would cost to bring the labor to the US and create jobs to stimulate the economy a little bit to make them live a little better - sound good?"
    
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Van Heerden made the comments in a telephone interview after a multiday inspection of the factory. Apple, the first technology company to join the FLA, said on Feb. 13 that it asked the Washington-based nonprofit organization to inspect plants owned by three of its largest manufacturing partners.

We’re finding tons of issues,” van Heerden said en route to a meeting where FLA inspectors were scheduled to present preliminary findings to Foxconn management. “I believe we’re going to see some very significant announcements in the near future.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-17/foxconn-auditor-finds-tons-of-issues-.html
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Van Heerden made the comments in a telephone interview after a multiday inspection of the factory. Apple, the first technology company to join the FLA, said on Feb. 13 that it asked the Washington-based nonprofit organization to inspect plants owned by three of its largest manufacturing partners.
We’re finding tons of issues,” van Heerden said en route to a meeting where FLA inspectors were scheduled to present preliminary findings to Foxconn management. “I believe we’re going to see some very significant announcements in the near future.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-17/foxconn-auditor-finds-tons-of-issues-.html
Yeah, I said it was just a preliminary analysis. The real inspection is in progress. Good to know they're thorough!
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There's nohing communist about modern China, it's more of an ultra free market autocracy now.

you are kidding right? yes I did make an "internet generalization", but I bet we can name more communist things about China than we can name democratic/free? so yes they're more heavily Communist than they are free.

maybe the economic side of Communism is dying down, but don't be fooled that the controlling government side is still very strong (not as bad as North Korea though)

-doober
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I love this. My major qualm with this whole situation is that the ONLY reason Apple did this was to recover reputation after a gigantic searing blow straight to them over the quality of living their outsourced labor has. Its pretty much a slap in the face to Americans though, "Hey, we hear you, sorry we treat our underpaid oversea workers poorly - here we'll spend a SMALL FRACTION of the money it would cost to bring the labor to the US and create jobs to stimulate the economy a little bit to make them live a little better - sound good?"

exactly! every corporation does this we are not fools. This is what I was meaning by covering their asses. It is like when BP a British Company effed up in the US's Gulf and said "Were sorry", which I will not get into that, but they have effed up a lot in the US because they have no vested interest.

-doober
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you are kidding right? yes I did make an "internet generalization", but I bet we can name more communist things about China than we can name democratic/free? so yes they're more heavily Communist than they are free.
maybe the economic side of Communism is dying down, but don't be fooled that the controlling government side is still very strong (not as bad as North Korea though)
-doober

Free as in free market, not free as in freedom, that's why I said it's an autocracy, except the State isn't governed by a single person but by a single entity (the Party). That same party renounced all communist principles and adopted a form of extreme capitalism completely open to foreign investements while keeping the right to intervene if they feel it's in their interest.
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