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Poll Results: Vote when your Achieva/Catleap monitor comes in.

 
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  • 8% (46)
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Thanks Wage, that's the info I was looking for.
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De nada.

In the future, it's best to scroll to the LAST FEW of each eBay listing's pictures to see which accessories are included. That will give you a good idea of what you're buying, because a lot of the top and middle pictures featured in each auction are the same for all variations (and some are completely false and misleading). By looking at what's included, such as the audio cables or DSUB cables, that will clue you in on what the panel should be capable of.
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Neither option is without its flaws: AG and its murkiness has become more noticeable to me in the past year or so, perhaps due to my eyesight worsening, and glossy can outright RUIN a movie if the girlfriend/wife wants a light on while watching a horror flick. Is the AG "muted colors" trade-off more satisfying than the glossy "hey look, I'm a reflection!" trade-off, though? That I don't know. But I am worried about having to watch movies on a glossy screen with my girlfriend, who often wants a light on no matter what we're watching (and which is why I've put off purchasing a 1080p projector until I redecorate the whole place with BOC instead of blinds).

Yea I know where you're coming from. It's not the same situation but growing up, the lights always had to be on up until I was allowed to have a small B&W TV in my room or if I got up super early to watch cartoons. I think everyone has run into the situation of not having any control over their lighting environment at some point which is why I always enjoyed going to the movie theater when I was younger. It was like a reprieve from the light and the screen was of course huge and there was popcorn and various other awesomeness. I should have stipulated that I don't know why anyone would choose to have a lighting interference if they weren't "constrained" (and I don't mean that in a derogatory way) by how it would affect others.

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In short, I empathize with teraflame completely and will probably join him in denouncing glossy glare. However, unlike him I am prepared to rearrange my office as need be, and will explain this in my review of the SB2700 in a few days or so. I know most people just want something to work perfectly when they buy it, but a lot of the time it's less about changing something else than it is about changing yourself and how you deal with problems.

I get where he's coming from but, my last post was more of a general commentary rather than about anyone specific. It just spawned out of the back and forth the two of you were engaging in. I thoroughly agree on it being an issue of adaptation. By all means, people should return/sell something that truly doesn't work for them but at some point one must ask himself/herself "is it actually the situation or is it how I'm dealing with the situation". Granted, no one likes to "jump through hoops" but people shouldn't realistically expect to get something if they aren't willing to put anything in beyond the purchase. Even the items that claim to be "one size fits all" are in fact not. The continued exponential growth of the expectation of instant gratification is approaching levels that genuinely frighten me. For the sake of clarity, again this isn't about anyone specifically as it's just general commentary about society as a whole and it extends well past the issue of selecting a display.
    
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I don't have any lights shining on the monitor, its all diffused and on the side. Even like that, its ridiculously easy to see reflections. Do you expect me to leave the lights off? Its not good for the eyes.

I know nothing about these products - but google is your friend - maybe this will put you on track for a solution. Lots of people complaining about the cinema display gloss on the net and several solutions you may be able to use.

www.photodon.com/p/MXT-5755-01K.html

Funny cause I want the glossy. My last two panels were a matte 27 Planar and a glossy 22" HP. Both tn panels. The HP colors popped and I miss it vs. the Planar. But I had very little glare with the HP and what I did have was not noticeable cause I use a 5 year old computer armoire and flat panels slide almost all the way to the back becoming boxed in and protected. I'm hoping the Shimain is similar in reflection to what I experienced with the HP. The Planar is dull dull dull.

My plasma tv in the same room is a Panasonic with AG and that helps a lot since there are windows I could do nothing about nor did I want to use blackout curtains.

Good luck.
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Has anyone had experience with driving any of these monitors with a Radeon HD 5770? On the Ebay auctions they all seem to mention that it is not compatible... But the 5770 specifications list that it supports that resolution, and it does have a dual-link DVI output.
I'm not sure why it wouldn't be possible to use these monitors with that card, does anyone have any insight to this?
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Some people have issues and some don't. I don't recall having read anything about the 5770. It appears that the compatibility list is more about showing the BIOS screen and Windows loading screen than anything else. It's never been confirmed one way or the other about what the compatibility list is and isn't but it's got nothing to do with the resolution as there are 2560x1440 cards with dual link DVI listed as not working. To give you an example some people have cards listed as not working but they can see the BIOS, the Windows load screen and Windows while others can only see Windows. It has to do with having different hardware on the cards and there is no way to know until you hook it up. Long story short, it's not spec related.

My HD 5770 ran my Catleap perfectly, through BIOS and startup and all that. I never had a problem with it, even when running at 85 hz. Actually, I lie; the HD 5770 can't run the Catleap at 85hz in Windows since it's too SLOW to do it at the lowered clocks for 2D display. But other than the speed issue, no problems.
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No, I don't expect you to do anything, but I would HOPE you don't come here complaining to others about a problem you should have foreseen before dropping $300+ on a monitor.
It's called homework. You shoulda done it, son.
Moreover, who said you had lights shining on your monitor? Search "light control" in any home theater forum, or even more simply, try adjusting the lights in your room or office! But don't sit there acting like "woe is me" and that nothing can be helped. Help yourself instead of sitting there complaining.

For those using the monitor primarily for gaming/movie watching, lighting can be controlled. But for those using their monitor as part of a mixed-use situation (even a personal mixed-used situation), anti-glare becomes much more important, since the room usually must be lit to a certain extent if you want to do, say, paperwork/homework/studying/reading. In my experience so far, I much prefer using my computer with the lights on than off, and in that situation, glossy is simply inferior.
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My HD 5770 ran my Catleap perfectly, through BIOS and startup and all that. I never had a problem with it, even when running at 85 hz. Actually, I lie; the HD 5770 can't run the Catleap at 85hz in Windows since it's too SLOW to do it at the lowered clocks for 2D display. But other than the speed issue, no problems.
For those using the monitor primarily for gaming/movie watching, lighting can be controlled. But for those using their monitor as part of a mixed-use situation (even a personal mixed-used situation), anti-glare becomes much more important, since the room usually must be lit to a certain extent if you want to do, say, paperwork/homework/studying/reading. In my experience so far, I much prefer using my computer with the lights on than off, and in that situation, glossy is simply inferior.

Yes, and if you read our posts, you'd see that we already brought this up last night.

As already stated, I understand how glossy can be a no-no in a shared environment. But there's no reason to sit there and cry if you have the ability to control your lighting how you want. Some people are just unwilling to do this, though, which is akin to DLP owners who'd rather throw their TV out than replace the bulb...
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Yes, and if you read our posts, you'd see that we already brought this up last night.
As already stated, I understand how glossy can be a no-no in a shared environment. But there's no reason to sit there and cry if you have the ability to control your lighting how you want. Some people are just unwilling to do this, though, which is akin to DLP owners who'd rather throw their TV out than replace the bulb...

I was more likely responding to the acidity in your post than anything else, and thus I must apologize for that.

Not a shared environment (ie, other people may be present), a mixed-use environment (eg, reading a book while taking paper notes and referencing the internet). If I were to do paperwork at my desk, I need my desk area in front of me to be lit, at least to the level of the computer screen. Otherwise I'd be constantly changing my apparent brightness of what I'm looking at; not exactly conducive to good working practises. I can have all the control over lighting in those cases, but I can't figure out how I would manage to keep everything I look at at a consistent brightness. This is something I've been trying to solve myself without much success as of yet.

Any acidity in my reply should be directed at glossy purists, who decry the desecration to image quality that is AG to be the bane of monitors everywhere, since glossy "can be managed by controlling your lighting situation and is thus YOUR fault if you can't handle glossy". Ahem. Excuse me.
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De nada.
In the future, it's best to scroll to the LAST FEW of each eBay listing's pictures to see which accessories are included. That will give you a good idea of what you're buying, because a lot of the top and middle pictures featured in each auction are the same for all variations (and some are completely false and misleading). By looking at what's included, such as the audio cables or DSUB cables, that will clue you in on what the panel should be capable of.

Good tip, will do. I'd need an Engrish to English dictionary to read the ads anyway rolleyes.gif
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Good tip, will do. I'd need an Engrish to English dictionary to read the ads anyway rolleyes.gif

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, so true, so true *laughing irl*
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I was more likely responding to the acidity in your post than anything else, and thus I must apologize for that.
Not a shared environment (ie, other people may be present), a mixed-use environment (eg, reading a book while taking paper notes and referencing the internet). If I were to do paperwork at my desk, I need my desk area in front of me to be lit, at least to the level of the computer screen. Otherwise I'd be constantly changing my apparent brightness of what I'm looking at; not exactly conducive to good working practises. I can have all the control over lighting in those cases, but I can't figure out how I would manage to keep everything I look at at a consistent brightness. This is something I've been trying to solve myself without much success as of yet.
Any acidity in my reply should be directed at glossy purists, who decry the desecration to image quality that is AG to be the bane of monitors everywhere, since glossy "can be managed by controlling your lighting situation and is thus YOUR fault if you can't handle glossy". Ahem. Excuse me.

I don't know what you're reading, but as I already explained before, I'm anything but a glossy purist. I can't stand glare, and it's gonna be a struggle for me to figure out how to rearrange my office to compensate for glare during movies. That having been said, I use my displays all for mixed uses currently and plan to do the same with the glossy coming my way in the next few days. Just because you couldn't figure it out doesn't mean others (see: the 9038587349057890583 people who own ACDs) are incapable of doing so. This goes without changing brightness on the panel itself or hampering your "good work practices", and to me will likely mean either opening or shutting a nearby shade during the day; or during the night, enhancing or dimming a light.

Will all the trouble of reducing glare be worth it? No idea, but that's why I spent $350 on this Korean panel as a test instead of blowing $900 on an LED ACD. If I do end up falling back in love with glossy -- which I have not used since getting rid of my FW900 4 years ago -- then I'll more than likely sell this A- panel and purchase an A+ ACD or glossy equivalent down the line. I'm going into this expecting a learning experience, and to see whether I really NEED one of those 30" panels I was originally looking at.
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I can output to it with my x220. That is why i am debating it. It's my work laptop that can't
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