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I got a FX-4100 for a total expense of $33. Overclocked to 4.6GHz I cant see much difference between this and my x4 955. So far the FX-4100 runs cooler than my 125watt C2 x4 955.
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I got a FX-4100 for a total expense of $33. Overclocked to 4.6GHz I cant see much difference between this and my x4 955. So far the FX-4100 runs cooler than my 125watt C2 x4 955.

Yeah. On TDP end they are superior than phenoms.
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If you look at Bulldozer as a foundation for later processors it is great. The architecture is well designed and has somewhere to go. However, if you look at Bulldozer as a CPU that was supposed to succeed the Phenom II it is a horrible processor. I choose to see it as a foundation for later designs. I don't believe it's ahead of it's time. I believe its a design that needs to get some bugs worked out.

I agree with this. It's an innovative design, perhaps the piledriver update will improve performance somewhat. I just feel AMD had to make too many compromises to get it out the door, but it *IS* a major step forwards.
Just look at it this way, the PhenomII competed with the C2Q, Thuban raised the game to 1st gen i5, and now Bulldozer is about the same power as 1st gen i7.

If next gen Bulldozer can equal or better the new i7 2600k sitting across the room from me now, I'll jump back to AMD in a flash, simply because they are way more overclocker friendly than Intel. And no, I'm not willing to double my budget outright to go s2011 so I can get access to FSB/BClk overclocks, thanks Intel, but no thanks. We get your marketing plan Intel, no more low end chips at demonic speeds, we get it. But most of us are not willing to pay the insane amount to play with one of the biggest tools in the performance freak's armoury.

There is a lot to love about Bulldozer, but the performance isn't quite there yet to be competing with Intel's offerings. I really do hope IB isn't a huge step forwards for Intel, and that Piledriver can catch up. We NEED competition in the market.
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Bulldozzer is a good architecture theorhetically. It was made by machines and here lies it's problems.

KLOLOLKOKOLOL

Obviously most CPUs are made by baby fingers and unicorns at 32nm
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Sandy bridge can't safely go past 5700 MHz due to a 57x max multiplier. Adjusting the bclk could get you higher, and also fry a bunch of stuff possibly. I suspect that the heat issues may be remedied once AMD gets the TSMC silicon hopefully not screwed up next time around.

Its dependent on the motherboard iirc. Some are as low as 36x and some like mine are as high as 60x. Wonder what i would have to drop my bclk down to in order to use that 60x
post #26 of 43
I remember CPU history so I'm not concerned.

p3 800MHz > p4 1.4GHz
AMD 6000+ > AMD Phenom 9600

If you consider the funds Intel has it really is amazing AMD has kept up as well as they have.
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If you look at Bulldozer as a foundation for later processors it is great. The architecture is well designed and has somewhere to go. However, if you look at Bulldozer as a CPU that was supposed to succeed the Phenom II it is a horrible processor. I choose to see it as a foundation for later designs. I don't believe it's ahead of it's time. I believe its a design that needs to get some bugs worked out.

I agree with this. It's an innovative design, perhaps the piledriver update will improve performance somewhat. I just feel AMD had to make too many compromises to get it out the door, but it *IS* a major step forwards.

I think they felt after so long they HAD to get something out.

They were stalling when they realised Llano wasn't clocking well on GF's 32nm process. They probably decided to give it 6 months tops and then go with whatever they had, which turned out to be Bulldozer as we know it. The process is probably the most serious problem Bulldozer has which isn't really AMDs fault.

What IS AMD's fault is that they didn't recognise the problem soon enough and make the switch to TSMC. Bulldozer on a TSMC silicon would be alot more competitive than it is now which would probably make them a big step up from Phenom II, although probably not quite on Sandy Bridge's level.
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How about this.........
FX owners give it a try......thumb.gif

... there are already benchmarks of that bulldozer hotfix.
The performance gain has been proven to be negligible, on average its not even 5% http://www.overclock.net/t/1202796/expreview-test-for-amd-bulldozer-hotfixes-from-microsoft
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post #29 of 43
AMD is the only way to go if you want good core/w density in a server environment. 16 useable threads in 65w.

High end desktop market is still within reach, theres talk on some of the more technical boards about the decode throughput being up 50-100% in the revision after PD. This would complement the fact that the integer units will be able to handle a wider variety of instructions in each pipeline resulting in nearly double performance on many types of code.

The underlying architecture is sound and definitely has more room to grow than Intels current offerings.
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KLOLOLKOKOLOL
Obviously most CPUs are made by baby fingers and unicorns at 32nm


Way to take one part of my post, put it out of context in some effort to try to be funny. It doesn't work. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
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Originally Posted by ML241 View Post

I got a FX-4100 for a total expense of $33. Overclocked to 4.6GHz I cant see much difference between this and my x4 955. So far the FX-4100 runs cooler than my 125watt C2 x4 955.

For $33 bucks you can't pass up on a deal like that. smile.gif
Edited by erocker - 2/17/12 at 2:08am
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