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VM's i can do all day long, problem is, atm i have very little actual experience with kit. There is no networking kit at college, and tbh I will use this as an actual server as well as tinkering with it. VMs are great but having an isolated machine, where you have the confidence to do whatever you want, without affecting a £1300+ machine is more appealing. I need my sig rig to last me through uni, so I would rarther spend the £200 and get a machine i can basically destroy.

The other thing I have noticed, my silicon hates me. frown.gif

(P.S. I can set up vm's but not yet to the level you guys are at... Kindda obvious)
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VM's i can do all day long, problem is, atm i have very little actual experience with kit. There is no networking kit at college, and tbh I will use this as an actual server as well as tinkering with it. VMs are great but having an isolated machine, where you have the confidence to do whatever you want, without affecting a £1300+ machine is more appealing. I need my sig rig to last me through uni, so I would rarther spend the £200 and get a machine i can basically destroy.

The other thing I have noticed, my silicon hates me. frown.gif

(P.S. I can set up vm's but not yet to the level you guys are at... Kindda obvious)

setting up VMs on your sig rig won't have any physical effect on it. But it is nice to have a seperate server rig to run VMs on. I'm currently using a Phenom 9500 with 8 GB of RAM and XenServer to run several VMs, mostly a web and file server
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VM's i can do all day long, problem is, atm i have very little actual experience with kit. There is no networking kit at college, and tbh I will use this as an actual server as well as tinkering with it. VMs are great but having an isolated machine, where you have the confidence to do whatever you want, without affecting a £1300+ machine is more appealing. I need my sig rig to last me through uni, so I would rarther spend the £200 and get a machine i can basically destroy.
The other thing I have noticed, my silicon hates me. frown.gif
(P.S. I can set up vm's but not yet to the level you guys are at... Kindda obvious)

Ok thats fair enough but by doing it the 'physical' way, you are going to limit yourself by only having one old box.

You won't be able to play with clustering, load balancing, storage arrays or anything that requires multiple physical devices. Whereas in VMWare you can.

On my sig rig for example, I have a virtual environment made up of the following, and this is only a small one I made to replicate a project I am carrying out for someone.

Server 2003 - DC01 (Primary Domain Controller)
Server 2003 - DC02 (Domain Controller)
Server 2003 - FS01 (File Share 1 - DFS Running)
Server 2003 - FS02 (File Share 1 - DFS Running)
Server 2003 - TSS01 (Terminal Services)
Server 2008 - SQL01A (SQL Cluster Node A)
Server 2008 - SQL01B (SQL Cluster Node B)
VSAN01 (Server 2008 with MS iSCSI Target to act as my Virtual SAN)

This lot consists of 2 virtual networks and I have a fully function environment that I can do anything with without risk of actually breaking anything.

You won't be able to achieve that with one old physical box. Just saying.... Don't limit yourself.
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Ok thats fair enough but by doing it the 'physical' way, you are going to limit yourself by only having one old box.
You won't be able to play with clustering, load balancing, storage arrays or anything that requires multiple physical devices. Whereas in VMWare you can.
On my sig rig for example, I have a virtual environment made up of the following, and this is only a small one I made to replicate a project I am carrying out for someone.
Server 2003 - DC01 (Primary Domain Controller)
Server 2003 - DC02 (Domain Controller)
Server 2003 - FS01 (File Share 1 - DFS Running)
Server 2003 - FS02 (File Share 1 - DFS Running)
Server 2003 - TSS01 (Terminal Services)
Server 2008 - SQL01A (SQL Cluster Node A)
Server 2008 - SQL01B (SQL Cluster Node B)
VSAN01 (Server 2008 with MS iSCSI Target to act as my Virtual SAN)
This lot consists of 2 virtual networks and I have a fully function environment that I can do anything with without risk of actually breaking anything.
You won't be able to achieve that with one old physical box. Just saying.... Don't limit yourself.

i hope i can achieve quite alot like this fopr my studies with my two new servers with one featured on this forum and my Synology NAS set up smile.gif
 
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Ok thats fair enough but by doing it the 'physical' way, you are going to limit yourself by only having one old box.

I am looking at getting 2 dual core cpus. Plenty of space in there for at least 2 VM's... Not as if i want 1 single core xeon.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MATCHED-PAIR-AMD-OPTERON-DUAL-CORE-285-2-6GHZ-940-OSA285FAA6CB-CPU-PROCESSOR-/160732475978?pt=UK_Motherboards_CPUs&hash=item256c66f24a

Taking on board all the feedback, i will go for VMs to build a virtual network on this machine. 2-3 VMs atm, should be enouth for the moment.

Now back to the last question, which OS is best for running VM's in?
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Are you looking to go working in a windows based infrastructure? In that case go with Server 2003.

Not sure, we have only done the basic Advantages vs Disadvantages of Apache vs Server 03... The computer course i am on atm it very theretical, user policies and programming based. Not to leave out Digital graphics, that was thrown in there for _____ and giggles.

So basically, as for Server OS, the door is open. I do dislike the newer Microsoft OS's in general and i have some experance with Linux in the form of Ubuntu, backtrack and Mint.

I was just reaqding one of my main 3 choice specs, and they are all cisco heavy, so anything that can provide me with a good foundation work for that would be helpful.

-Edit-
Reading back on everything I will admit I am now confused with what i actually want. So if I build a machine, based on 2 of the cpu mentioned above, I should be able to run VMs on it, and gain the number of machines need to set up a basic, virtual network.

Just re- evaluating, my main aim is to gain experance with the actual tech involved in the backbones of a network.

I will re-read everything more when i get home. I am in college during the hols doing work... mad.gif But i should be compleately up-to-date with everything, including re-subs. wheee.gif
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For the OS there are a couple of choices but ESXI is what I would use if I were you. From there you can make some virtual machines with ubuntu server or microsoft server 03 or 08. So you can at least get some experience in using them. Once those are setup you can start making some virtual machines of ubuntu desktop or a windows variant and work with networking them to the servers and configuring active directory and permissions. Granted a lower end server may only be able to operate 2-3 virtual machines at once so I really cant say how well it will run with 2 servers and some desktops operating at the same time.
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Now back to the last question, which OS is best for running VM's in?
Not sure, we have only done the basic Advantages vs Disadvantages of Apache vs Server 03... The computer course i am on atm it very theretical, user policies and programming based. Not to leave out Digital graphics, that was thrown in there for _____ and giggles.
So basically, as for Server OS, the door is open. I do dislike the newer Microsoft OS's in general and i have some experance with Linux in the form of Ubuntu, backtrack and Mint.
I was just reaqding one of my main 3 choice specs, and they are all cisco heavy, so anything that can provide me with a good foundation work for that would be helpful.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I have never met a real-world *nix administrator who wasn't just a ball of nerves and a cellphone. I'm sure they exist, I just haven't met any. What I have met are a metric ton of bored Windows admins who daren't stray from Microsoft's offerings... the happiest admins I've met are those that let Windows do its thing, because it gives them time to tinker with their various *nix boxes that they've brought up for some esoteric purpose.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but I have never met a real-world *nix administrator who wasn't just a ball of nerves and a cellphone. I'm sure they exist, I just haven't met any. What I have met are a metric ton of bored Windows admins who daren't stray from Microsoft's offerings... the happiest admins I've met are those that let Windows do its thing, because it gives them time to tinker with their various *nix boxes that they've brought up for some esoteric purpose.

ROLF... The network guys at college refused to restore my desktop after I deleted every thing, because they said it could not be done. I had to go over their heads to get it restored....
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For the OS there are a couple of choices but ESXI is what I would use if I were you. From there you can make some virtual machines with ubuntu server or microsoft server 03 or 08. So you can at least get some experience in using them. Once those are setup you can start making some virtual machines of ubuntu desktop or a windows variant and work with networking them to the servers and configuring active directory and permissions. Granted a lower end server may only be able to operate 2-3 virtual machines at once so I really cant say how well it will run with 2 servers and some desktops operating at the same time.

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I convinced the site IT guy to come help me fix my problems with AutoCAD today, I showed him my build logs and he liked what he saw so he gave my local admin rights on my workstation lol. Installed Virtualbox and running Ubuntu now on my second screen dedicated, changed the background to the windows one, no one has even noticed yet.
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I convinced the site IT guy to come help me fix my problems with AutoCAD today, I showed him my build logs and he liked what he saw so he gave my local admin rights on my workstation lol. Installed Virtualbox and running Ubuntu now on my second screen dedicated, changed the background to the windows one, no one has even noticed yet.

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Phenom II x6 1405T (unlocked Athlon II X4 640T) ASUS M5A99X EVO AM3+ Asus ENGTX470/2DI/1280MD5/V2 16 GB (4x4GB) G.Skill DDR3 1600 CAS9 1.35v 
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WD Caviar Blue 250 2.5" Laptop Drive WD Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" Pioneer BDR-203 BluRay Burner Corsair H60 push 
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Windows 7 Pro x64 Ubuntu 11.10 Samsung 40" 60hz  ANTEC NEO ECO 520W 
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