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I don't use AA either.
If i take a screen shot of a 16 AA and 0 AA image, yes, I can see the difference.
but when I am dashing from building to building, looking left and right and checking my corners. I am not staring at one spot. I can't see the difference when actually playing the damn game, instead of of playing "where is jaggies" game.

yea when i built my sig rig, i was chasing the FPS and temperature rabbit down the proverbial rabbit hole, it got expensive and exhausting, and ultimatly lead me to overclock my processor to the point where i fried something on my mobo, i got BSOD constantly, this time around, im going to build the computer, play games and enjoy the experience. overclock the the graphics cards to the point where i can more bang for the buck EG, OC 6950s to the performance of stock 6970s or OC 570s to the performance of stock 580s, and call it good. enjoy what ive built.
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for one monitor get 570 SLI. Better perfomance (cool xtras like 3dvision, physx) and better Drivers.
For multi monitors you need more vram so go Radeon.

i will be gaming on just one monitor, i am in the market for a new monitor, i currently have a 24" samsung LCD, im looking at getting a 27" LED, but probably going to still stick with a 1080p monitor, resolutions higher than that, the prices just skyrocket.
Edited by Sean W. - 2/17/12 at 2:42pm
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Also if you ever go water you will want reference cards. And if you have to stack the 6950's directly on top of eachother the top card wont be able to breathe and youll see at least a 10C temp increase.

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My 6950's are stacked on top of each other due to Asus having a crappy placement of their PCI-Express slots on my motherboard and the lack of a long crossfire bridge, my top card does indeed run about 10c higher than my bottom card.

Though, if you plan on keep your computer for awhile, get dual 6950's/6970's. If you don't, get the 570's. You are better off in the long with dual 6950s/6970's due to their 2gb of vram. I personally haven't experienced any micro-stutter out side of Skyrim (which really doesn't bother me since it isn't all that bad to me and doesn't happen often) with my 6950's. Everything else, like BF3, I either can't notice or there really isn't any. But remember, both Nvidia and AMD experience it.

Driver side, so far, I've experience zero issues with AMD's drivers. I've own three AMD/ATI cards so far. A 4850 I had back in 2008 - 2010 and never had any issues with it, and now my dual 6950's. I always use to be a Nvidia fan boy since 2003, but really, both have treated me pretty well.

I say all of this from experience. If you look at my history, just a couple of months ago I was rocking a MSI Twin Frozor III 570. I was in the same boat as you. Either buy another 570 for SLI or sell my 570 and buy two 6950's/6970's. I ended up choosing my 6950's since I plan on keeping this build for three years, and I couldn't be happier
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I'm going to suggest the GTX 570 over the 6970 for this one. If you are gaming on a single monitor that is less than 1200p, the 1.25GB GTX 570 should be able to play all games on high setti gs (bar games like metro though--turn down the aa). EDIT: lol, I was thinking about single-gpu setups. SLI GTX 570s should be able to play everything at max settings. For multi-screen setups you can get the 2.25GB variant.
Most of us know that the 6970 cf outperforms the 570 sli, but what many people don't know is that microstuttering is more evident in multi-gpu AMD setups. So you may get the higher numbers on the 6970 cf, but you will get a better visual experience with the 570 sli as the pics demonstrate below:
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Gonna quote one of my previous posts for more clarification:
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Source(Excellent read btw)
So, the sli 580 is better than the 6990 by the numbers and the eyes.
Also, just because you have a sli/cf setup doesn't mean that microstuttering will be inevitable. It depends on the gpu, drivers, game played (major role), game settings, resolution, etc. I also read somewhere that if you setup a RAMDisk, you will see close to no microstuttering at all on nearly all graphics cards, multi-gpu or not. Like brettjv said, with cf setups you might get the high numbers, but you also get the erratic frame behavior that comes with it. This may reduce gameplay experience, but, like I said before, there are a lot of variables to take into consideration for that to happen.
There's a reason why sli scaling isn't as good as cf, and that's because they are incorporating something called frame metering in order to make gameplay experience smoother:
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In fact, in a bit of a shocking revelation, Petersen told us Nvidia has "lots of hardware" in its GPUs aimed at trying to fix multi-GPU stuttering. The basic technology, known as frame metering, dynamically tracks the average interval between frames. Those frames that show up "early" are delayed slightly—in other words, the GPU doesn't flip to a new buffer immediately—in order to ensure a more even pace of frames presented for display. The lengths of those delays are adapted depending on the frame rate at any particular time. Petersen told us this frame-metering capability has been present in Nvidia's GPUs since at least the G80 generation, if not earlier. (He offered to find out exactly when it was added, but we haven't heard back yet.)
(came from source above) I hope this clarifies some stuff. If I'm wrong about something please say so because I won't be telling people false information
Like brettjv said on the same thread quoted above:
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AMD's awesome multi-gpu scaling is not a result of superior hardware, it's a result of driver programming that doesn't bother attempting to limit microstutter like the Forceware does.
Nowadays, you can't merely purchase a graphics card mainly by the fps, you have to take into consideration the things that many websites don't go over, which in this case is microstuttering. Now, I don't know if AMD has resolved this problem with the new 7xxx series out, but we will see whenever someone takes the time to do a microstutter review on them.

You cant just post one game. Look at the other game. HD 6970 CFX get next to no micro-stutter. Also its all based on how the game developers use SLI and CF and actual drivers. If you are a person that can notice it then you have to stick with very high end GPU like GTX580. Nvidia does it on purpose. GTX580 cant have less stutter then GTX570 technically but it does. This is so the higher end setup feels smother. Also the stutter is only evident in low low fps 40fps under. Thats because then the frame time increases. Personally i get SLI or CF to achive grater performance then that a Single card can no similar performance to a single card. In the end of the day it depend on the game and drivers. Just to show u a example.

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My 6950's are stacked on top of each other due to Asus having a crappy placement of their PCI-Express slots on my motherboard and the lack of a long crossfire bridge, my top card does indeed run about 10c higher than my bottom card.
Though, if you plan on keep your computer for awhile, get dual 6950's/6970's. If you don't, get the 570's. You are better off in the long with dual 6950s/6970's due to their 2gb of vram. I personally haven't experienced any micro-stutter out side of Skyrim (which really doesn't bother me since it isn't all that bad to me and doesn't happen often) with my 6950's. Everything else, like BF3, I either can't notice or there really isn't any. But remember, both Nvidia and AMD experience it.
Driver side, so far, I've experience zero issues with AMD's drivers. I've own three AMD/ATI cards so far. A 4850 I had back in 2008 - 2010 and never had any issues with it, and now my dual 6950's. I always use to be a Nvidia fan boy since 2003, but really, both have treated me pretty well.
I say all of this from experience. If you look at my history, just a couple of months ago I was rocking a MSI Twin Frozor III 570. I was in the same boat as you. Either buy another 570 for SLI or sell my 570 and buy two 6950's/6970's. I ended up choosing my 6950's since I plan on keeping this build for three years, and I couldn't be happier



^ thanks for that! +rep. great input. deffinatly helped me with my decision. if i can get the 6950s for a good price ill go with those, if not, im going to go with the 6970s.
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No man that is more expensive than buying two of these graphics card and i get more performance out of them. The name of the game is more for less, Not less for more... just to say you have the latest and greatest.


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Because it looks like you play 1080p (23 inch screen) you don't really need an SLI/CFX setup
Aside from maybe 1 or 2 games that are poorly optimized, a 7970 or GTX 580 will max out every single game sans MSAA..
I'd personally go with the fastest single GPU setup you can afford and stay away from SLI/CFX problems. For me that was a ROG Matrix GTX 580p when I purchased in Nov-2011.

Better yet, If you can wait for another 60 days or so, I'd wait for Kepler GK 104 to see how Nvidia's mid-range card compares and then make a decision.

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i know i dont need it... but i want it biggrin.gif


and i can get any of the 3 setups for about $400... i bought the rig in the OP for $300... so for $700 ill have a rig that can max out any game, for the for-see-able future.
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No man that is more expensive than buying two of these graphics card and i get more performance out of them. The name of the game is more for less, Not less for more... just to say you have the latest and greatest.
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Erm. Used ones maybe

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150517

x2 And it's more than a 7970. Overclock a 7970 and you're using less power, less heat, same performance less money... like what you wanted
     
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i know i dont need it... but i want it biggrin.gif
and i can get any of the 3 setups for about $400... i bought the rig in the OP for $300... so for $700 ill have a rig that can max out any game, for the for-see-able future.

Then go with the 570's, preferably the 2.5 gb versions.
Much better driver support from Nvidia, and less problems with SLI than CFX.
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