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What I am wondering about is if buldoser has "trouble" whit programs that exist to day. Is it possible that programs will use the cpu more effectly when it has been around for some time?

Looking on the agritecture it should have been better than it scoring on the tests. Is it perhaps a wolf in sheeps cloathing? If programs take advantage of all 8 cores, wouldnt that make it at least as powerfull as the i2500k?

Trying to get the full oversight over cpu maket, if anyone knows an article where they explain the advantage and disad. whit the agritecture on intel and amd i would realy appreciate it!
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What I am wondering about is if buldoser has "trouble" whit programs that exist to day. Is it possible that programs will use the cpu more effectly when it has been around for some time?
Looking on the agritecture it should have been better than it scoring on the tests. Is it perhaps a wolf in sheeps cloathing? If programs take advantage of all 8 cores, wouldnt that make it at least as powerfull as the i2500k?
Trying to get the full oversight over cpu maket, if anyone knows an article where they explain the advantage and disad. whit the agritecture on intel and amd i would realy appreciate it!

first thing FX-8120 is beating 2500k in maximum of testes and games, and its better then 2500k in gaming and VFX works. so its is performing very well as per price amd is offering awesome cpus.
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first thing FX-8120 is beating 2500k in maximum of testes and games, and its better then 2500k in gaming and VFX works. so its is performing very well as per price amd is offering awesome cpus.

Not sure if serious about this statement.....


but it will probably perform better later on. Even the lowly original Phenom line performed better a few years later when more games were 3 core encoded.

Bulldozer has a unique design that should come into fruition eventually. Just too many features and changes too early for the market to handle.

Also I don't hate it like some people do. I think its an interesting processor and good for the right price(especially at Microcenter),
    
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It definitely will.

Will it be better enough and priced right is the question. Intel's already bulldozing the bulldozer with a sandy bridge, so, eh...
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It's always possible. The technology is outgrowing the support. That's the problem with new technology. Even new tech based on old tech performance. I think that BD at the moment is best for video editing and rendering.

But the application support has to catch up some time. Games are already starting to do that actually. thumb.gif

But if you go in that direction it wouldn't make sense to go with minimum spec graphics and RAM due to potential bottleneck. I will be building a 8 Core behemoth(8120) with my Bro for his GF. She's like a mad scientist with Video Rendering and is looking for a new system so she's sent the check, now we get to order it, slap it together, put it through its paces and hope to have it to her within a week or so after building it. My thinking is that she'll be extremely happy with this build. cool.gif

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It will get better with time however by that time Intel will have new offerings that will absolutely destroy it.

I am however a month or 2 away from a project using the new Opterons that have bulldozer architecture.
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first thing FX-8120 is beating 2500k in maximum of testes and games, and its better then 2500k in gaming and VFX works. so its is performing very well as per price amd is offering awesome cpus.

Hum. I got alittle confused now, i thought Buldoser was slower on almost 100% of existing games.... Am I wrong?

Edit: I thought that buldoser clocked at 4GHz was slower than an i2500k at 4Ghz And that i find strange, that 4 cores can beat 8 at same clock speed...
Thats the reason i was wondering about that perhaps games was using it poorly and that it would increase perfomance quite the bit after a while..?
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Absolutely.

Remember QXX00 quads vs EXX00 dualcores?
In 2007-2008 the dualcores were the better choice, nowadays the quads show their better performance.
I think it'll be the same with bulldozer vs i5's, now the 2500k's perform a bit better, but i guess we'll see in a year or two.
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first thing FX-8120 is beating 2500k in maximum of testes and games, and its better then 2500k in gaming and VFX works. so its is performing very well as per price amd is offering awesome cpus.

Hum. I got alittle confused now, i thought Buldoser was slower on almost 100% of existing games.... Am I wrong?

Edit: I thought that buldoser clocked at 4GHz was slower than an i2500k at 4Ghz And that i find strange, that 4 cores can beat 8 at same clock speed...
Thats the reason i was wondering about that perhaps games was using it poorly and that it would increase perfomance quite the bit after a while..?

If you put a TRUE 4 core CPU up against an 8 Core the 8 Core will smash that little 4 core take his GF and his Mum an will return them soaking wet.

But you put a 4 Core with HT an HT handcannon up against an 8 Core things are a little bit more even. And depending on the size of that Hand Cannon the 8 Core may run away like the Knight's against the Man Eating Rabbit after the holy hand grenade fails. panic.gif"Run away; run awaaaaaay!"

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In theory, the Bulldozer architecture should hit a home-run, in practice though, it has some major flaws. Most of the lack-luster performance does stem form lack of support for the new architecture which won't happen over night, and probably not withing the first year.

But when you think about it, things can only get better form here, not like programs will start to use it worse than they do now.

I am hoping that software is actually not using BD to it's full potential and that there is a chance for it, but I'm not getting my hopes up too high.



As previously stated, support is definitely growing at a slower rate than the technology itself. A prime example of this is Folding@Home on AMD GPU's. In theory using OpenCL on the 6XXX and 7XXX GPU's should at least come close to the Nvidia GPU's, but it doesn't, the support just isn't there.

As long as you have competing technologies, you will never have 100% for one of those technologies. It's a double-edged sword though, if there weren't any competing technologies, you wouldn't have price wars, and more importantly, you wouldn't have big leaps in innovations and we would be stuck with the technology for longer.
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