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Actually i want to try to understand how and why the diffrent cpu perfome as they do. And what is expected of them to do. Got LOTS of time, so mutch reading isnt any problem, any my reading skills is far better than my writing skills,hehe.

2MB L2 Data cache share by 2 core and up to a 32MB L3 cache share by all cores.
My cpu doesn't have l3 cache,hehe.

Perhaps what i need is an book used to teach student in this area if you understand what i mean.
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http://www.overclock.net/t/1213342/return-of-the-return-of-amd-fx-my-ocd-amd-fx-8150-review-with-ocd-6990-daily-results
I'll let you all read this and stop judging bulldozer on bias info..... My fx-4100 runs circles around my friends Phenom x4 and holds its ground with a Phenom x6 110t @ 4.1Ghz, with mine @ 4.622 Ghz Both with similiar gx quality and GX settings @ Same Resolutions. Take it or leave theirs my thoughts on Bulldozer, and may Piledriver Come back with the FX's name after XOP is fully implemented........

I just read through in a hurry getting the meaning of it, going to read it now after I have eaten, but you are saying that it actually performe great when given good enough gpu?! So the next generation of radeon will perhpas make this pair up and perhaps beat the i2500k?

Going to read this after food as I sayed, +rep!!!
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Still looking for a place to learn about the cpu of the last years and the expected to come next years........

Well, Bulldozer (AMD FX 8120 in this case) currently does fine in multi-threaded performance where overall it generally trades blows with the i5 2500k. In gaming performance, especially when using a very high-end setup such as a 7970 or a dual-GPU setup, the FX's processor's weakness is truly revealed sometimes giving a bare 60% of the i5's performance (that is truly horrible). And even in the case of single GPU setups, the i5 2500k nearly always comes on top except in the case of a GPU bottleneck where all setups are 1-2% from each other.

As for the future, no one really can predict. We know that the legendary Microsoft patch to fix bulldozer only added 0-2% performance increase. And all evidence points to BD not getting any miracle patch. So the IPC will never improve (at least not more than 5%), and that will always remain the incredible weakness of Bulldozer. In the future,
some applications might become more threaded, but it is highly unlikely (based on previous trends) that they will be optimized for 8-cores any time soon (2+ years). In fact, most games are still not optimized for quad-cores, and only a handful of games provide support for 6-core and even then it is very poorly done.

So, not only, does the Intel Sandy Bride 4-core (i5 2500k) shows substantially better IPC (single-core) and gaming performance, it also has other advantages such as being far more energy-efficient, and over clock more on average voltages (BD OC's to ~4.6Ghz for daily usage, and SB ~4.8Ghz).

If these options are the same price (which they are in US and Canada, but I'm not really sure about Norway), then there is no need to debate which is a better option. The Intel i5 2500k is by far the best bang for buck.

As for future options, both Piledriver and Ivy Bridge according to AMD and Intel forecasts (respectively) will bring minimal performance upgrades to their predecessors (10-15%), so the situation will not really change.
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I just read through in a hurry getting the meaning of it, going to read it now after I have eaten, but you are saying that it actually performe great when given good enough gpu?! So the next generation of radeon will perhpas make this pair up and perhaps beat the i2500k?
Going to read this after food as I sayed, +rep!!!

Exactly, i would not say that adding even more GPU power to the FX-4100 WIll add more power overall, it will reach a bottlekneck at a certain point from all the tests i've done personally and the Benchmarks show. NOW moving on,

With the fx-6100 and FX-8120 and 8150, it will show great improvement but theirs known issues with CF support and SLI on the new BD Architecture. But if you can Reach High OC's (Via liquid cooling or good Air cooling solutions, no Bottlekneck exists until you throw something insane @ it like a dual Crossfire 7970 or Hell even Dual 6990 they've shown Bottleknecks if BD can't reach its High OC capability (Even AMD knows this). If you want benchmarking bragging rights, Stick with intel for right now, if you like supporting the under dog and The FX name, Bulldozer is and still is a great buy if you find a Discount session going on like i did.
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Exactly, i would not say that adding even more GPU power to the FX-4100 WIll add more power overall, it will reach a bottlekneck at a certain point from all the tests i've done personally and the Benchmarks show. NOW moving on,
With the fx-6100 and FX-8120 and 8150, it will show great improvement but theirs known issues with CF support and SLI on the new BD Architecture. But if you can Reach High OC's (Via liquid cooling or good Air cooling solutions, no Bottlekneck exists until you throw something insane @ it like a dual Crossfire 7970 or Hell even Dual 6990 they've shown Bottleknecks if BD can't reach its High OC capability (Even AMD knows this). If you want benchmarking bragging rights, Stick with intel for right now, if you like supporting the under dog and The FX name, Bulldozer is and still is a great buy if you find a Discount session going on like i did.
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Well, Bulldozer (AMD FX 8120 in this case) currently does fine in multi-threaded performance where overall it generally trades blows with the i5 2500k. In gaming performance, especially when using a very high-end setup such as a 7970 or a dual-GPU setup, the FX's processor's weakness is truly revealed sometimes giving a bare 60% of the i5's performance (that is truly horrible). And even in the case of single GPU setups, the i5 2500k nearly always comes on top except in the case of a GPU bottleneck where all setups are 1-2% from each other.
As for the future, no one really can predict. We know that the legendary Microsoft patch to fix bulldozer only added 0-2% performance increase. And all evidence points to BD not getting any miracle patch. So the IPC will never improve (at least not more than 5%), and that will always remain the incredible weakness of Bulldozer. In the future,
some applications might become more threaded, but it is highly unlikely (based on previous trends) that they will be optimized for 8-cores any time soon (2+ years). In fact, most games are still not optimized for quad-cores, and only a handful of games provide support for 6-core and even then it is very poorly done.
So, not only, does the Intel Sandy Bride 4-core (i5 2500k) shows substantially better IPC (single-core) and gaming performance, it also has other advantages such as being far more energy-efficient, and over clock more on average voltages (BD OC's to ~4.6Ghz for daily usage, and SB ~4.8Ghz).
If these options are the same price (which they are in US and Canada, but I'm not really sure about Norway), then there is no need to debate which is a better option. The Intel i5 2500k is by far the best bang for buck.
As for future options, both Piledriver and Ivy Bridge according to AMD and Intel forecasts (respectively) will bring minimal performance upgrades to their predecessors (10-15%), so the situation will not really change.

Yes, but I am an budjet man,hehe, so I am not going to buy before 1-2years, and when windows 8 comes, will it perhaps change?fx will improve and beat intel at same price? They are the same price in norway so to speak, fx alittle more expensive,hehe, but I realy would like to stay whit amd, call me nostalgic,hehe. How are the price expexted to be in 1 year?2 year? Then they will "old" and cheaper, but how mutch? And will they still performe?
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Well I think I have it figured out how 2500k can compete with BD.

It's got integrated graphics and BD doesn't. Pricewise it SHOULD be cheaper since it's a i5. But Bulldozer isn't exactly i7-990x pricewise either and the prices are coming down because demand at the moment is low. Here is a comparison of 8120, 2500k 3.3Ghz, 3.7Ghz and 8150... features comparison smile.gif

I swear guys I'm not foolin around I put two different 2500ks' in the comparison grid and the results are listing the same in title and Ghz. But now they're saying 3.3 w/ 3.7 Turbo. The $210 CPU is supposed to be the 95w CPU the $230 is the 65w. rolleyes.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif
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Yes, but I am an budjet man,hehe, so I am not going to buy before 1-2years, and when windows 8 comes, will it perhaps change?fx will improve and beat intel at same price? They are the same price in norway so to speak, fx alittle more expensive,hehe, but I realy would like to stay whit amd, call me nostalgic,hehe. How are the price expexted to be in 1 year?2 year? Then they will "old" and cheaper, but how mutch? And will they still performe?


 

You can't wait on technology, otherwise, you can wait forever and beyond. ie. I had my eyes set on Ivy Bridge. Not even think about further because it is just what I needed now.

 

Piledriver is in Q1 2013, I'm not sure if you're going to wait that long. Windows 8 will be releasing right after Ivy Bridge is out so most OEM will have the latest hardwares and Windows for back to school sales insanity.

 

Right now AMD is stuck with Bulldozer in 2012, and good possibility they might be releasing FX-8170 one.

 
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You can't wait on technology, otherwise, you can wait forever and beyond. ie. I had my eyes set on Ivy Bridge. Not even think about further because it is just what I needed now.

 

Piledriver is in Q1 2013, I'm not sure if you're going to wait that long. Windows 8 will be releasing right after Ivy Bridge is out so most OEM will have the latest hardwares and Windows for back to school sales insanity.

 

Right now AMD is stuck with Bulldozer in 2012, and good possibility they might be releasing FX-8170 one.


take it with a grain of salt but wiki is saying later this year 8350.... hopefully its true. maybe there will be some changes.
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You can't wait on technology, otherwise, you can wait forever and beyond. ie. I had my eyes set on Ivy Bridge. Not even think about further because it is just what I needed now.

Piledriver is in Q1 2013, I'm not sure if you're going to wait that long. Windows 8 will be releasing right after Ivy Bridge is out so most OEM will have the latest hardwares and Windows for back to school sales insanity.

Right now AMD is stuck with Bulldozer in 2012, and good possibility they might be releasing FX-8170 one.

Well, I mange whit the phenom b50 whitch is whitouth l3 cache this far. Hoping to squize it out 1-2 year more before upgrading. Then i want something cheap that holds for my gaming 3-4 more years.
Bought this in 2010 and it is still doing what i want, bf3 on ultra/high 2x aa. I dont demand more than 720p:cheers:

Buldozer must be cheap in 2 years? And if it is not optimced yet, it will performe better in 2 year and would cost below 100us dollar. I hope,hehe
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