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Yes but it's a poor business move to have low yields. With better yields they could have better prices and higher profits. At the very least only a couple of their top-end GPUs should be the ones designed that they know may have poor yields, so they can make better profits with everything else.

yes, its really poor on TMSC's behalf for not having the FAB plant ready for 28nm's high demand.
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Poor yields are an unfortunate circumstance, not a business move. lol
No one chooses to have low yields.

True, no one does choose to have low yields, but no one forced them to 28nm when 40nm had only just reached "handable" levels. Choosing to push forward despite concerns brought up by TSMC and Global Foundries would place nVidia (and AMD) at fault for "sticking" with their projections.

Now if both foundries decided to "embellish" their capabilities then they are to blame. Lets face it though, this has happened before, so both chip designers should of known before hand what to expect.

Knowing what was going to take place and still pursuing the new 28nm design is by their choosing and the responsibility for the consumer (nVid / AMD). Paying for only the good wafers still doesn't change the fact that 40nm had very capable manufacturing, while 28nm fabrication was essentially "beta."

A tweaked GF110 design, more and some faster memory, and a higher stock clock, could have competed with the 7970 without the switch to 28nm.
Edited by RagingCain - 2/17/12 at 11:10am
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I will still be grabbing a GTX 680 on launch day (if I can get one before they sell out).
Why? Every NVIDIA card i've had have been more or less headache free. My GTX 580 has been the best GPU i've owned, i've had seriously no problems with it. I cannot say the same about the last 3 ATI cards I owned before this 580.

Thats a matter of opinion. Stick to 1 card and have 95% less problems, Stick to Nvidia's 3 months Drivers releases another 95% less problems. On top of that unlike HD 58XX, HD 69XX, GTX580 had to carry GTX480 drivers which where mature. GTX680 will be just like GTX480. You probably want to get GTX780.
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I will still be grabbing a GTX 680 on launch day (if I can get one before they sell out).
Why? Every NVIDIA card i've had have been more or less headache free. My GTX 580 has been the best GPU i've owned, i've had seriously no problems with it. I cannot say the same about the last 3 ATI cards I owned before this 580.

Same for me, though I'll probably wait a bit to see if they launch a refresh.
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Thats a matter of opinion. Stick to 1 card and have 95% less problems, Stick to Nvidia's 3 months Drivers releases another 95% less problems. On top of that unlike HD 58XX, HD 69XX, GTX580 had to carry GTX480 drivers which where mature. GTX680 will be just like GTX480. You probably want to get GTX780.

I always use NVIDIA's beta drivers and have never had to go back to WHQL. ATI's drivers, for every card i've owned, were very immature in many games I played. Borderlands was one of the big ones at the time. I gave them more than 3 chances, and they failed each time... I pretty much won't even consider buying from them anymore. Maybe it was bad luck, but all my friends that use ATI also experience nonstop issues at our LANs.

I'm sure i'll try ATI again sometime down the road, but I can't see myself doing it in the near future. I lost about ~$500 buying and reselling their cards over the years... always end back on NVIDIA. I've heard people have the exact opposite experience, so who knows... wink.gif
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Poor yields are an unfortunate circumstance, not a business move. lol
No one chooses to have low yields.

When Nvidia and AMD use the same company to manufacture their GPUs, and Nvidia has much lower yields, what exactly would you call that? Poor business move in designing GPUs that have a greater chance of failure.
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I always use NVIDIA's beta drivers and have never had to go back to WHQL. ATI's drivers, for every card i've owned, were very immature in many games I played. Borderlands was one of the big ones at the time. I gave them more than 3 chances, and they failed each time... I pretty much won't even consider buying from them anymore. Maybe it was bad luck, but all my friends that use ATI also experience nonstop issues at our LANs.
I'm sure i'll try ATI again sometime down the road, but I can't see myself doing it in the near future. I lost about ~$500 buying and reselling their cards over the years... always end back on NVIDIA. I've heard people have the exact opposite experience, so who knows... wink.gif

Funny thing is, I have the exact opposite of your experience. Every Nvidia driver, stable or beta, always gives me TDR crashes. I have tried both 460 and 560 Ti so it is not a card problem. Which is why I ended up swapping my 560 Ti to 6950.
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Hmm say you have low yields, then only release a small amount of the chips and raise the price.....rolleyes.gif
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Funny thing is, I have the exact opposite of your experience. Every Nvidia driver, stable or beta, always gives me TDR crashes. I have tried both 460 and 560 Ti so it is not a card problem. Which is why I ended up swapping my 560 Ti to 6950.

I found myself in Murlocks shoes. After 3000, 4000, 5000 and 6000 series mid range cards, I thought driver issues were part of owning them and accepted it as part of the territory.

Swicthed to Nvidia to experience their superior 3D Vision have not had one issue with my 580 since Jan of last year. No having to roll back while waiting for a bug fix. I don't use beta anything because I don't get paid to work out problems so that might account for something.

Im sure this debate can go both ways for a lot of people. wink.gif
     
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I always use NVIDIA's beta drivers and have never had to go back to WHQL. ATI's drivers, for every card i've owned, were very immature in many games I played. Borderlands was one of the big ones at the time. I gave them more than 3 chances, and they failed each time... I pretty much won't even consider buying from them anymore. Maybe it was bad luck, but all my friends that use ATI also experience nonstop issues at our LANs.
I'm sure i'll try ATI again sometime down the road, but I can't see myself doing it in the near future. I lost about ~$500 buying and reselling their cards over the years... always end back on NVIDIA. I've heard people have the exact opposite experience, so who knows... wink.gif


I have the exact same experience... Tried a ton of ati over the years and it's sucked. Nv has been trouble free though.
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