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Originally Posted by Farih View Post

Arent the new chips on AMD cards made by TSMC aswell ?
AMD isnt reporting any problems are they ?
Hurry up Nvidia, bring AMD some good competition.... Will be good for the price we have to pay smile.gif

Yeah, and the GTX4 series were made upon the same process the HD5 series were.

Yet (leaving initial yields aside) AMD's silicon was leaps and bounds ahead nVIDIA's in refinement (power consumption was a proof of this, the HD5970 beat the GTX480 by quite a lot and yet it ate less power despite being a dual head card)


AMD is usually ahead when it comes to experiment with newer manuing process (at least the graphics division)
   
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It seems like Nvidia does this crap intentionally.

High prices, not our fault - blame yields!

It doesn't make much sense why they'd be having problems with the process if AMD is getting along just fine.

Well to be fair Nvidia goes large die and AMD small die, so the same defect rate is going to hit Nvidia's chips harder. Nvidia has pulled enough misinformation stuff that I am not one to defend them without good reason but that definitely comes into play, TSMC did report early problems with 28nm as well if you remember
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I didn't have a single issue ordering one 10 minutes ago, lol. A quick google search and there's hundreds for sale online. AMD really kicked Nvidia in the nuts with this one. They got the lead in supply and it looks like Nvidia won't be able to catch up at least until late this year, early 2013 at this rate. By the time Nvidia can get enough product out to turn a profit, tons of 7970/7950/7770/7870/etc will have been sold. Regardless of the performance advantage of Kepler, I highly doub't it will be enough to get the 7970 owners to sell their cards after only having them for months.

I'm not sure how you know Keplers release date unless your just throwing a number out of the air. Fact is Nvidia has kept very tight lipped thus far only saying that before release all vendors will be taken care of.

One thing your partially correct on is AMD already having thier cards out really was a blow to Nvidia revenue. Though your part right most people won't drop thier 7970's for possibly a better Nvidia release you also have those elitist who will. Heck we got people on this site who dropped quad 6970's and 580's to give the new series a try even though they were more than fine just for Epeen status.

Your a little inaccurate about supplies being available because it's been very sporadic. I myself gave it some serious thought but the Fry's Electronics locally hasn't had one ASUS or Diamond card since release. I was going to give the 7970 a test spin with option of return within 30 days for a small restocking fee. Fact is not all AMD vendors have been satisfied with equal amounts. ASUS hasn't been in stock for quite some time with any reference 7970's.
     
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AMD and Nvidia working together. Now this isn't gonna bring the prices of AMD's new cards down. Nvidia is just gonna price them accordingly with AMDs cards
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AMD and Nvidia working together. Now this isn't gonna bring the prices of AMD's new cards down. Nvidia is just gonna price them accordingly with AMDs cards


 

It is always the case of duopoly; let's all jack up all the prices and then we play competitive game at lowering the price overtime. The price will go down year by year or month until a new product is out and push up the prices again.

 
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If you don't want to pay the price, don't buy the card.
    
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Are you sure about that? All leaks indicate that kepler is a relatively small chip by nvidia standards. They want an efficient chip this time around.

A small chip by nVidia standards would still be massive compared to AMDs chips at the moment.
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Poor yields are an unfortunate circumstance, not a business move. lol
No one chooses to have low yields.

Stuff can help with it though, for example, smaller dies like AMD.
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Yeah, and the GTX4 series were made upon the same process the HD5 series were.
Yet (leaving initial yields aside) AMD's silicon was leaps and bounds ahead nVIDIA's in refinement (power consumption was a proof of this, the HD5970 beat the GTX480 by quite a lot and yet it ate less power despite being a dual head card)
AMD is usually ahead when it comes to experiment with newer manuing process (at least the graphics division)

That's because AMD had a largish GPU using 40nm way before nVidia (HD4770) did and knew what techniques to use to improve yield. nVidia had smaller dies but not a largish one for a few months after AMD.
    
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This has to be the least surprising news I have heard all year. Nvidia having yield issues is about as constant as the sun rising and politicians lying. Now nvudia just has to release a part that runs too hot and under performs six months after they promised. So far they are right on track..
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When Nvidia and AMD use the same company to manufacture their GPUs, and Nvidia has much lower yields, what exactly would you call that? Poor business move in designing GPUs that have a greater chance of failure.

That's assuming Nvidia's design is to blame for all the problems faced during fabbing.

Perhaps AMD's designs are yielding better right now because they finished their design first, and have had more time to work with TSMC on yields?
Or maybe Nvidia finished their design first, and are genuinely having trouble getting things to go smoothly at TSMC? Who knows?
Since we aren't aware of the finer details of how things are proceeding at TSMC, it's not exactly reasonable to make that assumption.
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This has to be the least surprising news I have heard all year. Nvidia having yield issues is about as constant as the sun rising and politicians lying. Now nvudia just has to release a part that runs too hot and under performs six months after they promised. So far they are right on track..

Research your point or plug your mouth, the problem is TMSC is overbooked for 28nm
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