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Yet still, with all these advancements, you can buy a pack of razer blades and a toothbrush once you are through security*. As any ex-con, prison guard or slightly intelegent person knows these items can be combined to make a respectable weapon.

Every time I fly I think this: I have taken my shoes, coat, belt, watch and any jewlery off. You know what is in my bag. You now have a low level x-ray picture of me. You now have my finger prints, retinal scans and photographs. Why does this seem very similar to the "processing" that inmates go through when they are admitted to prison?

I think the terrorists have won.





*I checked, as of last Christmas Heathrow T5, Dallas Ft Worth and Vancouver international had them on shelves.
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I think it is also to counter drug and such. My friend's bro (32 now) brought from a random country a load of methamphetamine, amphetamines and other craps from that country in his boxers... Even with the laser detector or naked detector, you can still pass drug if you ingest them (sealed ofc) or put them in your rectum if you fear it can break into your stomach ph34r-smiley.gif they won't be able to detect it... same if some1 do that with bombs. You can get lighters at the free duty plus you can easily make a detonator with the flash of your cell phone!
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Originally Posted by Blameless View Post

Banning liquids was foolish in the first place.
Which was cargo, not a carry on.
Compare that list to the list of flights...
Even during peak times, you were more likely to be killed by gremlins coming out of your toilet, or an alien anal probe (yes, these probably don't exist, and are still more likely to kill you).
The war on terror is second only to the war on drugs in the category of biggest wastes of time, money, and effort.

The chances of getting killed by gremlins are indeed very small. Unless you are the one in a googolplex that gets killed, it seems silly. I bet that one guy that the gremlin killed doesn't feel the same.

I guess the question is how many people have to die before people believe security is important? It is hard to say if your gremlin analogy would still hold true if we never had any security put in place at airports. I can't seem to find a list of prevented hijackings. Also, we don't know if people had as much motif back then as they do now to hijack airplanes.

Don't get me wrong. I do think there needs to be a balance between security and safety. No one likes long waits or the hassle of being checked out. People don't care about security saving their life until it affects them and then it's too late. We all like to live in the world of "It Will Never Happen To Me".
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First I was like, Hooray! Then I was like...what kind of liquid would I even need to bring on a plane? I mean you can bring what ever you want anyway...it just needs to be a 100ml or less sized bottle. Which is about how much shampoo you need for a couple day trip anyway.

A prescription medication or baby food would be the only thing a person should have need to bring and there are provisions for those.
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First I was like, Hooray! Then I was like...what kind of liquid would I even need to bring on a plane? I mean you can bring what ever you want anyway...it just needs to be a 100ml or less sized bottle. Which is about how much shampoo you need for a couple day trip anyway.
A prescription medication or baby food would be the only thing a person should have need to bring and there are provisions for those.

The most benefit will be for those (people living under a rock) who are unaware of these restrictions. That try to bring a bottle too large and are forced to throw it in the trash. As the article mentioned there are hand creams and other such things which are actually very expensive, and people get pissed to have it forcefully taken away.
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You can get lighters at the free duty plus you can easily make a detonator with the flash of your cell phone!

Thats how the shoe bomber got caught!

"One flight attendant, Hermis Moutardier, thinking she smelled a burnt match, walked the aisles of the plane, trying to assess the source. A passenger pointed to Reid, who was sitting alone near a window and attempting to light a match. Moutardier warned him that smoking was not allowed on the airplane. Reid then promised to stop.

A few minutes later, Moutardier found Reid leaned over in his seat. Her attempts to get his attention failed. After asking "What are you doing?" Reid grabbed at her, revealing one shoe in his lap, a fuse which led into the shoe, and a lit match."
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The most benefit will be for those (people living under a rock) who are unaware of these restrictions. That try to bring a bottle too large and are forced to throw it in the trash. As the article mentioned there are hand creams and other such things which are actually very expensive, and people get pissed to have it forcefully taken away.

True I guess. This happened to a co-worker of mine...they wouldn't let her take some sort of lotion that she said was too expensive to throw out. She actually went and shipped it home from the airport and it ended up going on a plane anyway. Funny thing was that she got on the plane with it when we left.

Though I don't think the infrastructure needs to be put in place in airports just to help out the people who can't read a pamphlet on what to bring. I've honestly thought that the real root of this might be to reduce weight on the plane. I mean, if there are 300-400 people on the plane and they each are carrying regular sized bottles of soap, shampoo, mouth wash...etc. That kind of weight might be able to add up. If I want to blow up a plane a 100ml tooth paste tube filled with C4 would do the job anyway...get it to crash at least.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 2/17/12 at 11:57am
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Thats how the shoe bomber got caught!
"One flight attendant, Hermis Moutardier, thinking she smelled a burnt match, walked the aisles of the plane, trying to assess the source. A passenger pointed to Reid, who was sitting alone near a window and attempting to light a match. Moutardier warned him that smoking was not allowed on the airplane. Reid then promised to stop.
A few minutes later, Moutardier found Reid leaned over in his seat. Her attempts to get his attention failed. After asking "What are you doing?" Reid grabbed at her, revealing one shoe in his lap, a fuse which led into the shoe, and a lit match."

Alright, he failed. Now think at a liquid explosive + detonator at this time liquids were banned. GG game over!
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I don't think Bear Grylls really cares about this wink.gif
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