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However when it comes to online help, Linux excels in. There's an absolute plethora of resources for Linux users and plenty more people who are willing to help. (you only have to look at this forum to see how Linux and Windows are level pegged for online support).

Definitely. There are only very few things you couldn't figure out yourself if you wanted to. The Arch Linux wiki is a veritable bible.
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Definitely. There are only very few things you couldn't figure out yourself if you wanted to. The Arch Linux wiki is a veritable bible.

I actually got stuck installing Arch the other day. I booted up, typed /arch/setup and up came a graphical set up. Set up everything, clock, partitions etc. then it chucked me into a terminal too save the /boot partition config. I got stuck here. I followed the guide off the Wiki but it was made pre-graphical install (all in command line) which I wont use due to my lack-luster knowledge of the command line.


Many of you people reading this will be thinking; Arch aint that pretty? Well I LOVE this(s?) screenshot. Futuristic and sexy.:

Edit can't seem to find it, but it uses Openbox + Conky, and has a transparent windows.
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Plan9, Linux/*BSD activist. Always there to provide facts, not opinion.

Aside: Anyone try Cinnamon + Docky? I think it works great. Using Cinnamon 1.3 w/ Arch, I removed the WM applet and use Docky for handling windows, great combination. biggrin.gif Now if only Cinnamon had a GNOME3 shell theme (Adwaita and Cinnamon colors look weird), and a DM that matches.
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I actually got stuck installing Arch the other day. I booted up, typed /arch/setup and up came a graphical set up. Set up everything, clock, partitions etc. then it chucked me into a terminal too save the /boot partition config. I got stuck here. I followed the guide off the Wiki but it was made pre-graphical install (all in command line) which I wont use due to my lack-luster knowledge of the command line.
Many of you people reading this will be thinking; Arch aint that pretty? Well I LOVE this(s?) screenshot. Futuristic and sexy.:
Edit can't seem to find it, but it uses Openbox + Conky, and has a transparent windows.

It just sends you into NANO, which all you really need to do is un-comment the windows partition if you're dual booting, then press CTRL+X to exit. and you would of been done. tongue.gif
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It just sends you into NANO, which all you really need to do is un-comment the windows partition if you're dual booting, then press CTRL+X to exit. and you would of been done. tongue.gif

You are F'Ing kidding me?!?!?!?! OMG! I amn't even using Windows, so what would happen then? Just leave it?
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You are F'Ing kidding me?!?!?!?! OMG! I amn't even using Windows, so what would happen then? Just leave it?

Just press CTRL+X to exit.

(the key combo's are labeled at the bottom)

This is what you're talking about right?

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Just press CTRL+X to exit.
(the key combo's are labeled at the bottom)
This is what you're talking about right?
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Yes, although there are a few more ###'s, but essentially it is the same. Thanks. Armed with this information, I will install Arch tonight! Some time..
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Yes, although there are a few more ###'s, but essentially it is the same. Thanks. Armed with this information, I will install Arch tonight! Some time..

This is why I still prefer to give people this guide http://lifehacker.com/5680453/build-a-killer-customized-arch-linux-installation-and-learn-all-about-linux-in-the-process , rather than the Wiki one. It's a little more straight forward (even though it is out dated a bit).

The only thing different from the above guide, is use your own partition scheme. Much like the partition scheme from the Wiki.

Then when you get to " Get the Desktop Up and Running " stop, and refer to the Wiki for the Desktop Environment you want to install as the information in that section is outdated.

Also, http://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/ , that link will provide you with the fastest pacman mirror to use when editting /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist. (or if you choose a net install just scroll the list until you find mirror.rit.edu or the kernel.org mirror. As the archlinux.org mirror is throttled so will be a little slower.
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It's spelled Windows.

Not if you hate it. thumb.gif
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That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, however hacking config files on Linux is no more difficult than hacking the registry on Windows.
And as for the mismatch of styles on Linux, well Windows is one of the worst culprits for this. Even Microsoft don't follow their own styling guidelines; every new release of Office has a different and non-standard toolbar to the rest of Windows applications. At least with Linux, the vast majority of apps use generic Qt and GTK APIs which keep a consistent style across all the applications - and what's better is it's very easy to theme both Qt and GTK to have the same stylings (eg Qt Curve). With Windows, if someone decides to use non-standard Windows APIs (as happens frequently), then you're stuffed.
Yes and no. Linux is just as a kernel and many Linux apps (particularly in binary form) are incompatible across different distros (particularly when you start looking at some of the more niche distros: WebOS vs Android vs Gobo vs LSB-compliant distros. However when there are (easy) ports, you often see them propergate beyond just Linux (FreeBSD, for example, even supports running Linux ELF binaries natively and most UNIXs will support Linux programs written in scripting languages (Perl, Python, Ruby, etc). So you are right that many people would argue that Linux loosely refers to the ecosystem, however that would then also mean some other Unix-like OSs would fall under the same category too.
I do agree that one of Linux's greatest weaknesses is it's diversity. It makes the platform awkward for targeting commercial applications, it makes the platform confusing to beginners and it makes it hard -sometimes even impossible- to develop against stable and complete APIs (don't get me started on the mess that is Linux's various sound systems!!!). However the diversity is also a great benefit for Linux:
* many targets make it harder for MS / Apple to destroy
* many platforms make it better for people to find a distro that works for them (once they get past the "omg *** who many linuxes!" hehehe)
* the ability to fork Linux has kept the platform interesting for many seasoned users / developers and thus has helped retain a large user base that might have otherwise left for *BSD / Haiku / whatever.
* and package managers take away the issues of finding software compatible for that distribution.
So it is a double edged sword. I think I'd personally agree with you that having many distros have harmed Linux's advances on the desktop, but equally Linux might never have reached the critical mass it has if it wasn't so flexible / diverse - so we might not even be having this discussion if it was just a single platform.
So does Linux.
They don't though. Microsoft support for general consumers is pretty awful. Most people end up either:
* going to high street PC stores and paying stupid amounts of money for what should be a simple fix
* having a family member / friend / child of a friend / or whoever they know that's even slightly "technical" pop round to fix it
* or going online looking for fix on message boards.
Granted Linux might struggle with the 1st two points - but that's only because it's not in wide spread use so not as many people would be familiar with how software errors in Linux are fixed (just as if the tables were turned and Windows was the "niche" OS, few "slightly technical" people would know what to do to fix Windows errors.
However when it comes to online help, Linux excels in. There's an absolute plethora of resources for Linux users and plenty more people who are willing to help. (you only have to look at this forum to see how Linux and Windows are level pegged for online support).
Desktop Operating System Market Share:

According to Net Applications, in january the total market share of

microsoft windows is 92.05%,
mac 6.39%,
linux 1.56%%.

Mobile/Tablet Operating System Market Share:

The total market share of

iOS is 53.65%,
java ME 19.19%,
Android 18.12%,
symbian 5.20%,
blackberry 2.59% and
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http://connectwww.com/operating-system-market-share-january-2012/1835/

The market disagrees with every assertion you just made. As for user support, its very likely Apple is the best of the breed, but they have that exsclusive Apple pricing.

Now server stats are a whole different ball of wax, and andriod is a well designed OS. they picked the linux kernel for portability reasons.

As for open source desktops, Haiku is the only viable candidate I see in the market place, with the right amount of cohesion, design choice and focused prioritys to accell on the desktop. The only way Linux could catch up, would be to rip the whole desktop stack apart, and fix it from the bottom up into a cohesive system. Which will never happen without a Linux desktop OS governance and design commitee, that puts useability as the #1 priority over everything else.

If you want a customizeable OS, Linux is definately the cats meow. If I had a desire to build something truly 1 off, linux would be my platform of choice, but claiming linux has better support then microsoft ? no way, just call the 800 number during your year of free support, and you get someone who can help you.
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