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Plan9, Linux/*BSD activist. Always there to provide facts, not opinion.
Aside: Anyone try Cinnamon + Docky? I think it works great. Using Cinnamon 1.3 w/ Arch, I removed the WM applet and use Docky for handling windows, great combination. biggrin.gif Now if only Cinnamon had a GNOME3 shell theme (Adwaita and Cinnamon colors look weird), and a DM that matches.

No, his rants are mostly well covered opinions. Rarely much in the way of facts. I am a Foss activist, but if someone comes along with a better OS, and its worth $$, I'll buy a copy.
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Desktop Operating System Market Share:
According to Net Applications, in january the total market share of
microsoft windows is 92.05%,
mac 6.39%,
linux 1.56%%.
Mobile/Tablet Operating System Market Share:
The total market share of
iOS is 53.65%,
java ME 19.19%,
Android 18.12%,
symbian 5.20%,
blackberry 2.59% and
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http://connectwww.com/operating-system-market-share-january-2012/1835/
The market disagrees with every assertion you just made
How does it disagree? Please point me to which argument I made that those figures disprove? Because all you've done is completely ignore everything I've posted and replied with a complete tangent.

However, let's humour your statistics for one momemnt:
All market figures prove is market figures. Markets figures do not prove how easy something is to install. It does not prove how good support services are. It just proves market figures.

What's worse, is market figures can themselves be wrong. Let's take the desktop market for instance:
* nobody really knows Linux's exact market share as you rarely find Linux prebuilds,
* you rarely buy Linux install CD/DVDs
* and you rarely register your Linux install.
* Windows, on the other hand comes pre installed on nearly every laptop - so anyone who runs Linux in it will ultimately register as a Windows sale.
* and finally, market figures don't take dual booting into account. So someone who uses Win7 and Ubuntu (for example) will normally just register as 100% Windows user.

So while market figures do provide an interesting approximation of the use of an OS, it's far from an accurate gauge and definitely not a proof of anything I'd raised in my previous post.
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As for user support, its very likely Apple is the best of the breed, but they have that exsclusive Apple pricing.
I don't own any Apple products so never had any experience with official Apple support. so I'd have to take your word on that one. However you're missing the point I was raising about community support - it's often the 1st port of call when something fails and it's pretty much even across all the platforms in terms of ease of finding a solution online.
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Now server stats are a whole different ball of wax, and andriod is a well designed OS. they picked the linux kernel for portability reasons.
Sorry, you've lost me here as I'm a little confused why you're discussing server and mobile OSs in the same sentence. redface.gif
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As for open source desktops, Haiku is the only viable candidate I see in the market place, with the right amount of cohesion, design choice and focused prioritys to accell on the desktop. The only way Linux could catch up, would be to rip the whole desktop stack apart, and fix it from the bottom up into a cohesive system. Which will never happen without a Linux desktop OS governance and design commitee, that puts useability as the #1 priority over everything else.
Linux is quite a way ahead of Haiku in a great number of areas. Not least of all with hardware and application support. It has a long way to go before it's a production ready desktop OS (in my opinion at least). There's a lot of other projects that's roughly on a par with Haiku which, if we're talking alternative OSs, deserve a mention too - AmigaOS, MorphOS, OS/2 and lets not forget the various desktop BSDs. Granted the former two are designed to run on PPC CPUs as opposed to x86. However with the advances with ARM, I wouldn't be surprised if a decade from now, ARM laptops are common place so I'd like to think (hope) that Morph and AROS are considering porting to ARM, even if AmigaOS never leaves PPC. There's also RISC OS, which is already available for ARM too - not used that in a while though so can't recall how complete it is.

Anyhow, my point is there's a whole plethora of OSs out there - Haiku isn't really all that special (aside being based on BeOS, which was simply awesome <3 )
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If you want a customizeable OS, Linux is definately the cats meow. If I had a desire to build something truly 1 off, linux would be my platform of choice, but claiming linux has better support then microsoft ? no way, just call the 800 number during your year of free support, and you get someone who can help you.
I never said Linux support was better. You're now making assumptions that I will automatically argue that "Linux > *" simply because I defended the platform in a Linux forum.
What I actually said is Linux is on a par for all but high-street support. smile.gif
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No, his rants are mostly well covered opinions. Rarely much in the way of facts. I am a Foss activist, but if someone comes along with a better OS, and its worth $$, I'll buy a copy.

Some opinion, some fact.

The comments about online support is very true (it's an easily observed and measured phenomena). But in terms of the generalised debates (eg which OS is "better", is Linux ready for the desktop, etc), those are absolutely opinion-based arguments thumb.gif
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Why would you ever prefer something that simply "just works?" You are on a forum filled with overclockers, who never buy computers that "just work". They do more than that, the overclock. It requires a good deal of knowledge to understand the intricacies computer hardware, and most people on this forum take the time and effort to do it. They do it without any 800 numbers either.

If you hate on Linux, you end up hating what OCN stands for, the need to go beyond something that "just works". Much like overclocking, Linux deserves a place of apreciation among users here at OCN.
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Figured I'd voice my opinion on here, and also ask a question.

Opinion first to give you a little background on myself. I've really only used Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu since 8.04. I've installed a couple copies of Linux Mint over the years for friends though.

The whole debate on better support? Well I believe Linux has the best support with a online community much bigger than any other OS that is actually willing to help, rather than just say "Google it, or refer to KBXXXXXXXX". Any time I've ever had a problem in Linux that wasn't solved by a quick Google, I could post on almost any computer forum and withing the hour, at least 5 Linux users will post 5 different ways to solve the same problem and I'll end up with the best possible solution. Post a Windows problem on a forum aside form this one, first answer is wither Google it, or they refer me to a KB article that they got from Google that is barely related to my problem.

The whole debate on "production ready"? Well this entirely depends on what applications you want to run. I recently installed Ubuntu on my workstation dual-booting, hated the time it takes to reboot, so installed a VM with XP for AutoCAD work, only have to switch over if I really want to render something quickly. There are some programs that are much better in Native Windows still, but there are plenty of alternatives on the Linux side that are still young and have the possibility to mature in better alternatives. My biggest gripe is the Windows-only applications that I don't ever see ported to Linux, like the entire (Microsoft Suite, Full Outlook Experience, Autodesk Vault, other proprietary sharing systems). I'm starting to see more and more that gaming isn't really an excuse not to run Linux, if anything, it's an excuse to dual-boot and test-run Linux as your every day and have a clean Windows install you use just for gaming and those certain applications.



Now for the question part of my long post. For the sake of this post, let's just say I've only used Ubuntu since 8.04. I'm currently running Ubuntu in a VM on my main PC at home for the ease of moving it from one PC to another when I'm doing maintenance. My Ubuntu install serves as a webserver, FTP, code-testing guinea pig, CPU folding, and maybe a media server soon.

I originally chose Ubuntu because the interface seemed easy to learn and wasn't too full of extras. I've stayed with Ubuntu because when I set up my webserver, Ubuntu guides were so easy to find for everything, I never thought twice about changing distros.

So for my question, is there any other recommended Linux distros that would fit my all my needs better then Ubuntu?
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Why would you ever prefer something that simply "just works?" You are on a forum filled with overclockers, who never buy computers that "just work". They do more than that, the overclock. It requires a good deal of knowledge to understand the intricacies computer hardware, and most people on this forum take the time and effort to do it. They do it without any 800 numbers either.
If you hate on Linux, you end up hating what OCN stands for, the need to go beyond something that "just works". Much like overclocking, Linux deserves a place of apreciation among users here at OCN.

In his defence, I don't think he hates Linux and we were both talking more hypothetically about "normal" users rather than the kind of people on here.
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In his defence, I don't think he hates Linux and we were both talking more hypothetically about "normal" users rather than the kind of people on here.

In "our" defense Linux is just as usable as Windows. Case in point. My girlfriend knows nothing of OS's in general (except what I talk to her about, which she tries to listen but ends up not lol), but she can navigate and use GNOME, KDE, and Cinnamon. The only WM she wasn't able to was AwesomeWM (I know GNOME and KDE are not WM, but DE, but they have WM built in). In the end, Windows has more marketshare and overtook Novell a long time ago. Now I am seeing a similar trend with Macs in the workplace. 'Tis the way of things.
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In "our" defense Linux is just as usable as Windows. Case in point. My girlfriend knows nothing of OS's in general (except what I talk to her about, which she tries to listen but ends up not lol), but she can navigate and use GNOME, KDE, and Cinnamon. The only WM she wasn't able to was AwesomeWM (I know GNOME and KDE are not WM, but DE, but they have WM built in). In the end, Windows has more marketshare and overtook Novell a long time ago. Now I am seeing a similar trend with Macs in the workplace. 'Tis the way of things.

I taught my GF to navigate DWM/XMonad, wasn't too hard, and only received minimal complaints (mostly on colors and not usability) lol. After that, she actually had me install Linux on her laptop with Gnome. Really isn't hard getting people used to Linux, my grandparents use it along with my parents and siblings.

For pretty much any everyday task, it's easily just as usable as Windows. Games are the only real thing lacking but are catching up.
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Why would you ever prefer something that simply "just works?" You are on a forum filled with overclockers, who never buy computers that "just work". They do more than that, the overclock. It requires a good deal of knowledge to understand the intricacies computer hardware, and most people on this forum take the time and effort to do it. They do it without any 800 numbers either.

No offense, but not anymore. Everyone on this forum just buys a 2500k and ups the multiplier, then trolls the AMD section.
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No offense, but not anymore. Everyone on this forum just buys a 2500k and ups the multiplier, then trolls the AMD section.

The truth burns my eyes.
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