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Originally Posted by Chozart
think we tried something like that already

is this the same guy who already adviced you earlier?
Yes, I emailedthe guy and I am waiting to hear back


Oh and macs do not suck, I have one and it is very nice. I hate anti-mac anti-linux people
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I think my dad might be in the buying mood today, We are stopping at T-mobile for a new phone, Sooo, I am going to try and customize a basic 939 or AM2 for like 600 or so and see what he says
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I am working on this to show my dad

"Why Should I Build a Computer?

Why should I build a computer? There are so many companys today that can just do that for me like Dell, Cyberpower PC, Apple and A-trac (to name a few.) They have their names known for computers for good reasons like Microsoft right? Wrong. Building it yourself is far better than having a big company mass produce them (sound similar to your philosophy on buying golf clubs?) What is the difference, You are just putting it together yourself. That is one advantage, Knowing what is in your system, but also, you pick every part. When all computer companys build a computer, The only 2-3 components that are actually worth the price are CPUs, OS and the Hard Drive in some cases. The rest of the parts a junk. This is how company's like Dell make their money, They use the absolute cheapest RAM, PSU, Cases, motherboards and graphics cards. Their only mission is the have the computer run windows and then it is not their problem anymore. This does not apply to Dell (I am just using then as an example) it also applys to HP, A-Trac, and every other computer company. Well, My Dell has a warranty on it, What if you have problems with all your parts? Well, First off, The warranties from major companys are almost useless, The only thing they really cover is the hard drive. notice how the old Dell we have just died, happened from a combination of a cheap PSU and Motherboard. All components have manufacturer's warranties on them that last 2, 5 even lifetime. So if there are any defects they fix them. Dell doesn't fix the problem, they just tell you what is wrong and send back your computer. It will go out of date like your laptop right? No, Desktops last far longer than laptops for 3 major reasons. 1, Desktops are more powerful and can handle things for longer than a laptop. 2, You can't upgrade a laptop, so once you get it, your stuck with the way it is forever, Desktops you can just upgrade one or two parts and boost the performance. 3, To make the desktop last a little longer than normal, you can just overclock a small bit and it is still stable. How much will I be wasting one this computer? Nothing, I will pay 100% of it. What will happen to your laptop I just bought? I will still use it, quite a bit actually, I get a better version and linux and learn more about using linux and use it to program and when we go away. "

What else should I add?

Edit: Updated plus I have a spreadsheet!

ComponentDellDell PriceNeweggNewegg Price
CaseBasic Dell Case100Cool Master Centurian45
PSUStandard 300W Cheap PSU50PC Power high end 610W140
CPUCore 2 Duo E6400300Same220
MoboStandard cheap Dell150Asus P5B with Wifi220
GPUCheap 7300LE100BFG 7600GT140
RAM2 GB Low end value Ram300G.SKILL 1GB 2x512160
HDDCheap 160GB HD150Seagate 320GB90
DVD DriveCheap Dell Drives40Lite-on lightscribe30
Mouse+KeyboardCheap Dell Combo50Wireless Combo60
OSWindows XP120Windows XP90
Wireless CardLinksys50Nonenone
Total Price1350Total Price1155

Prices are pretty accurate
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post #124 of 135
A few grammar/phrasing mistakes, but overall a good write-up.

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Why should I build a computer? There are so many companys today that can do that for me like Dell, Cyberpower PC, Apple and A-trac (to name a few.) They have their names known for computers for good reasons like Microsoft right? Wrong. Building it yourself is far better than having a big company mass produce them (sound similar to your philosophy on buying golf clubs?) What is the difference? You are just putting it together yourself. That is one advantage, Knowing what is in your system, but also, you pick every part. When all computer companys build a computer, The only 2-3 components that are actually worth the price are CPUs, OS and the Hard Drive in some cases. The rest of the parts are junk. This is how company's like Dell make their money, They use the absolute cheapest RAM, PSU, Cases, motherboards and graphics cards. Their only mission is the have the computer run windows and then it is not their problem anymore. This does not only apply to Dell, but it also applys to HP, A-Trac, and every other computer company. Well, My Dell has a warranty on it, What if you have problems with all your parts? Well, First off, The warranties from major companys are almost useless, The only thing they really cover is the hard drive. notice how the old Dell we have just died, happened from a combination of a cheap PSU and Motherboard. All components have manufacturer's warranties on them that last 2 years, 5, even lifetime. So if there are any defects they fix them. Dell doesn't fix the problem, they just tell you what is wrong and send back your computer. It will go out of date like your laptop right? No, Desktops last far longer than laptops for 3 major reasons. 1, Desktops are more powerful and can handle things for longer than a laptop. 2, You can't upgrade a laptop, so once you get it, your stuck with the way it is forever, Desktops you can just upgrade one or two parts and boost the performance. 3, To make the desktop last a little longer than normal, you can just overclock a small bit (500 Mhz and it is still 100% stable.) "
Work on the capitalization as well, it will make it look more professional. Good work though.
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Thanks, this is just a roughish draft
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Hopefully this works. It seems hopeless, since every time it seems like he is almost sold, he comes back the next day with a new reason you can't build one.
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Yeah, Last night he was like, "Your a go nagotionator, Just like me, I am working on a 2.5 Million a year for work, If that goes through you can build one maybe" haha hopfully it will, He is really high up in rank
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"Why Should I Build a Computer?

Why should I build a computer? There are so many companys today that can just do that for me like Dell, Cyberpower PC, Apple and A-trac (to name a few.) They have their names known for computers for good reasons like Microsoft right? Wrong. Building it yourself is far better than having a big company mass produce them (sound similar to your philosophy on buying golf clubs?) What is the difference? You are just putting it together yourself. That is one advantage, Knowing what is in your system, but also, you pick every part. When all computer companys build a computer, The only 2-3 components that are actually worth the price are CPUs, OS and the Hard Drive in some cases. The rest of the parts are junk. This is how company's like Dell make their money, They use the absolute cheapest RAM, PSU, Cases, motherboards and graphics cards. Their only mission is the have the computer run windows and then it is not their problem anymore. This does not only apply to Dell (I am just using then as an example) it also applys to HP, A-Trac, and every other computer company. Well, My Dell has a warranty on it, What if you have problems with all your parts? Well, First off, The warranties from major companys are almost useless, The only thing they really cover is the hard drive. notice how the old Dell we have just died, happened from a combination of a cheap PSU and Motherboard. All components have manufacturer's warranties on them that last 2 years, 5 even lifetime. So if there are any defects they fix them. Dell doesn't fix the problem, they just tell you what is wrong and send back your computer. It will go out of date like your laptop right? No, Desktops last far longer than laptops for 3 major reasons. 1, Desktops are more powerful and can handle things for longer than a laptop. 2, You can't upgrade a laptop, so once you get it, your stuck with the way it is forever, Desktops you can just upgrade one or two parts and boost the performance. 3, To make the desktop last a little longer than normal, you can just overclock a small bit and it is still stable. How much will I be wasting one this computer? Nothing, I will pay 100% of it. What will happen to your laptop I just bought? I will still use it, quite a bit actually, I get a better version and linux and learn more about using linux and use it to program and when we go away. Why don't you want to go with A-Trac, They are great? They are, but not for home computers. They are a business computer and server company. The specs don't need to be that impressive, They just need to run. Plus, the one that they recommended would have a tough time running windows vista when that comes out and you would I would just complain about getting a new one because you wouldn't let me upgrade it in any way. Here is a rough spread sheet mapping out the parts of a dell and home built computer in the same price range and it shows how bad commercially built computers are for the price."

Any last thoughts before I email it to him?
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A bargin usually brings good results
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So he doesnt want you to build a computer?

First...

Find a local computer parts store..i doubt they only exist in my area(Hillsboro,OR)..ask the computer geeks at school what stores they use..even places like Fry's or CompUSA...but usually the smaller Mom & Pop stores that just sell hardware are much cheaper..

Find one, price the parts..then have THEM put the system together...

Or tell us the city you live in and maybe somebody here lives nearby and can recommend a parts shop...

Sure they may charge you 100 bucks or something stupid(to the rest of us), but in the end two things are accomplished.

1) Your dad feels like he isnt blowing money because they are building the computer, and usually have some form of return policy & warranty.
2) You get a much better computer for the same price...

Take your dad down there, have him talk to the guys and pick out the parts together.

For 1k i am getting
E6600(half price Discount because of where i work)
P5W DH Deluxe
7900 GTO
2Gig G.Skill Ram
150GB Raptor

You could get the a very similar machine for 1.2k, and have pretty much a top of the line computer.

But do us all a favor, dont go overclocking anything...I know its tempting to fiddle with a new computer..I did it when i was young. But i cant tell you how many times i broke my family computer and had to listen to my dad as we took it to the computer shop for fixing(neither of us knew what we were doing at the time, 75mhz Acer 4tw!). Not that you couldnt, but you sound young..and seeing as how this sounds like your first real computer..i wouldnt risk it..you need to know how to swim in the waters before you jump in the pool.
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