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AS5 take's 200 hours to "cure" before you get "the right temps". Durring this 200 hour cure time you have to expose the TIM to different thermal situatons(no load but on, light load, heavy load, full load and off) before the real temps show up...200hours!
There any tons of TIM's that cool a few C better and have no cure time. ICD7, Shin Etsu, MX-4/5...the list goes on and on and on, all are within a c or two of each other. More important than brand is application though.

I call bull**** on this, I've heard the same thing, but my personal results don't lie to me. I know AS5 from the manufacturer says 200 Hrs for optimal performance, that's the key, optimal. I have found it just gets better with age, but it's as good as almost anything right from the get go and better then MX4. I just bought some MX recently,to replace my AS5, put on on my water block and under load it spiked!! to 50C instantly then trickled up. My AS5 would spike to about 45C and trickle up. I assumed a bad application, re-applied 3 different times, all 3 times the same result. I threw that crap in the trash went back to AS5 got better idle, load and way better spikes temps. 200 hrs later it will only be better yet.

Try them both, waste the $8 on MX4 just to test it, but in my experience on a 8150 with a Ultima XT block, AS5 way out performs MX4.
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Try them both, waste the $8 on MX4 just to test it, but in my experience on a 8150 with a Ultima XT block, AS5 way out performs MX4.

In mine (and coinciding with a lot more of people) MX4 trounces AS5. Maybe you're not applying it properly?

Plus, you don't have to waste 5x time trying to clean it up from the blocks. Simply wipe it out with a towel and call it a day.
   
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I call bull**** on this, I've heard the same thing, but my personal results don't lie to me. I know AS5 from the manufacturer says 200 Hrs for optimal performance, that's the key, optimal. I have found it just gets better with age, but it's as good as almost anything right from the get go and better then MX4. I just bought some MX recently,to replace my AS5, put on on my water block and under load it spiked!! to 50C instantly then trickled up. My AS5 would spike to about 45C and trickle up. I assumed a bad application, re-applied 3 different times, all 3 times the same result. I threw that crap in the trash went back to AS5 got better idle, load and way better spikes temps. 200 hrs later it will only be better yet.
Try them both, waste the $8 on MX4 just to test it, but in my experience on a 8150 with a Ultima XT block, AS5 way out performs MX4.

I can link you a ton of profecssional tests that say otherwise. AS5 is dated and old. There are better paste's but the temp change is only a few c at best. More important than what TIM is how its applied. I too have ran tests with AS5. And in my experiance its crap. I use ICD or MX-4 and temps are better. please post proof that AS5 is one of the best TIMS out there.

It sounds like you used to much MX paste.


Back on OT: Changing the paste wont help. The problem isn't going to be cooling. its the crappy VRAMS and power control on the board. They just are not made to overclock. I payed $110 each for two of them about a year ago. One for me and one fore my RL friend who build a rig identical to mine at the time. We both have had the same experience. The board just sucks for overclocking. I gave up after mine died. I even tried to RMA the board to no luck. Its sitting in my living room in the box with an OEM windows & tied to it. ASUS won't RMA the board because the damage was cause from overclocking(mind you never higher than 1.47Vcore but still overclocking is a voided warranty. So, unless changing TIM will allow the board to handle voltage in a more "calibrated" manner is just silly. You get exactly what you pay for with PC gear. You got a good deal for an ok board. just google "ASUS M4A79XTD EVO overclocking" and you'll see lots of people had problems with them while overclocking. Just keep it stock untill you can replace the board.
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I can link you a ton of profecssional tests that say otherwise. AS5 is dated and old. There are better paste's but the temp change is only a few c at best. More important than what TIM is how its applied. I too have ran tests with AS5. And in my experiance its crap. I use ICD or MX-4 and temps are better. please post proof that AS5 is one of the best TIMS out there.
It sounds like you used to much MX paste.
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I know about the reviews, most show MX4 being a degree or 2 better, thus why I bought it. A disclaimer to this though, I've never tried MX4 on another CPU, just this beast that pulls ~400 watts at the CPU alone. Also, my CPU and water block are both lapped to a mirror finish. I apply very thin because of the lapped parts, but I added a bit each time because of the results. I was disappointed and amazed at the results myself. IMO, the makeup/material of the compound is just of a better thermal conductivity on the AS5 if it performs better on a mirror finish lapping and at extreme power loads such as this CPU. Others mileage may vary. As for clean-up, it is a bit messy, however you should be using and electronics degreaser when re-applying thermal compound anyway and I've found it makes AS5 removal cake.
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I know about the reviews, most show MX4 being a degree or 2 better, thus why I bought it. A disclaimer to this though, I've never tried MX4 on another CPU, just this beast that pulls ~400 watts at the CPU alone. Also, my CPU and water block are both lapped to a mirror finish. I apply very thin because of the lapped parts, but I added a bit each time because of the results. I was disappointed and amazed at the results myself. IMO, the makeup/material of the compound is just of a better thermal conductivity on the AS5 if it performs better on a mirror finish lapping and at extreme power loads such as this CPU. Others mileage may vary. As for clean-up, it is a bit messy, however you should be using and electronics degreaser when re-applying thermal compound anyway and I've found it makes AS5 removal cake.

Sorry. But I have to side with the professional reviews and my original statement. Also, your the first person with a Water Loop that I have ever seen try to stick up for AS5... For clean up you don't have to use anything special to clean. For a long time I have used lighter fuild and Coffe filters. The lighter fuild dry's in seconds with no residue and the coffefilters are lint free and cheap!
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I ordered MX-2 from new egg. $8.99 shipped. AS5 was $20.99, last time i bought it it was $12 mad.gif
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I ordered MX-2 from new egg. $8.99 shipped. AS5 was $20.99, last time i bought it it was $12 mad.gif

I have heard MX-2 is ok. I have used the MX-4 and it was good stuff.

Here is a link to an 80 way TIM comparison. Might help you to pick TIM's later. I always buy TIM local and get the cheapest of the top shelf TIMS they have. Last time I got a bunch of ICD7 form micro center. its a total pain in the butt to apply but the temps are great!

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Many folks have found that 55C on a Phenom II CPU is a good safe temp. for error free operation. The CPU's max 24/7operating temp. is usually rated around 62C but there is no guarattee it will not experience errors at that temp.

The same meritless TIM arguements day after day... rolleyes.gif

FWIW - Most people use WAY TOO MUCH TIM. You want the thinnest film possible to fill just the MICRO PORES in the heatsink/spreader and no more. Metal-to-Metal is the best thermal conductor. TIM is an insulator. LESS is BETTER.

AS 5 only drops about 1C after the 200 hour cure so it's not even an issue.

AS 5 is within 1C-2C of the top ~25 TIMS including MX-2 and MX-4 and all the other hyped TIMs.

ANY of the top ~25 TIMs will yield virtually the same temp. Even mayonnaise will work well in a pinch. Numerous reputable TIM reviews show similar data for AS 5 and the rest of the top ~25 TIMs.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermal-Compound-Roundup-October-2011/1396/5

MX-4 is within +/- 1C of AS 5 in several independent TIM test.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/268354-29-thermal-compound-roundup-2011
Edited by AMD4ME - 2/19/12 at 10:26am
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